Would You Vote For a Candidate if .....

#1
.... he/she calls you on your phone, and then what you hear is a recording? Well I got that tonight. We have a provincial election coming up soon. For me it was distasteful just because IMHO it's not only insulting my intelligence but I'm also thinking 'do people really fall for this stuff?". No way in Hell was this call sincere in my mind, for me it reeks of a psychologically manipulative tactic. I was going to vote for that party (Liberals) but after that call I no longer feel it's possible for me to do so. Leaves me with no one to vote for as the other parties have failed to put forth quality candidates to take over the leadership (Premier) of the province IMHO. 

Is this what politicians think of us....easily swayed, duped, cajoled, etc? Not impressed with an obviously dubious phone call.
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#2
If you were talking about US leftists, yes, that's exactly how they think of their voters.
Based on Trudeau, I'd hazard to guess you're Liberals do too.
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(May 3, 2018 03:51 AM)Zinjanthropos Wrote: .... he/she calls you on your phone, and then what you hear is a recording? Well I got that tonight. We have a provincial election coming up soon. For me it was distasteful just because IMHO it's not only insulting my intelligence but I'm also thinking 'do people really fall for this stuff?". No way in Hell was this call sincere in my mind, for me it reeks of a psychologically manipulative tactic. I was going to vote for that party (Liberals) but after that call I no longer feel it's possible for me to do so. Leaves me with no one to vote for as the other parties have failed to put forth quality candidates to take over the leadership (Premier) of the province IMHO. 

Is this what politicians think of us....easily swayed, duped, cajoled, etc? Not impressed with an obviously dubious phone call.


Robocalls seem to have become a standard feature and multi-party indulgence of Canadian electioneering, despite the fraud and scandal revolving around such back in 2011. (I.e., if not for so many voters having chucked their landline phones, more of them would have routinely encountered that tacky mode of romancing from all major campaigns in recent years, or will in the future.)

There's an attempt nowadays to distinguish between "campaign management" as those who carry out strategy and "political consulting" as those who devise and establish the plans executed. But whatever the current distinctions, the administrators of a campaign are largely operating in a generalized reality where originally concrete and particular voters are abstracted into idealized, quantified, data-classified entities to be persuaded by evolving statistical models / tactics and traditional gambits.

Even though for the sake of saving face a candidate may intermittently give the impression that they're in charge of and closely monitoring their campaigns (like the public hand-waving of overruling a staff decision)... They're still often in the same position as an average citizen hiring a lawyer to represent them or paying a trainer slash physical therapist to order them around like a drill sergeant; or a nouveau entrepreneur handing over promotion of her product to the expertise of an ad agency / firm.

While the candidate can certainly intervene and even outright fire high-ranking campaign supervisors (or encourage them to resign)[*], usually the latter have gotten to where they're at in the first place because they have a skill-set for masterfully massaging and persuading the whole host of egos operating under their grooming gaze. From financial donors to volunteer staff to paid advisors to especially the candidate (him/her)self.

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[*] Trump did an unconventionally robust amount of that.

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#4
Did the only thing I could do, wrote a scathing critique of this method and sent it to the Liberal Party candidate. See if I get a response. Not sure if you're aware but the current Premier(Governor) of Ontario is a woman who is openly gay. I actually admire her for attaining such a high office knowing the hurdles placed in front of her by ignorance and hate were quite high. Told the candidate to learn from her and show some stones/resolve and to quit relying on pathetic impersonal use of electronic media to get elected. Then again I'm no Spring chicken anymore and the times are passing by. Smile
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In the UK I'm more concerned that my non-vote is being violated by either treated as abstinence (where I'm just allowing the herd to vote) or misuse (Where someone notices that I didn't vote and takes the opportunity to correct that). It's one of my main gripes about how in this modern world we still deal with a dated antiquated system of voting where you can only vote for one candidate and your vote is anonymous.

I understand the original reason for anonymity (Such as coercion or retaliation) but without some way to state a person has voted it leaves it open to misuse.

Ideally I want to tick all the candidates, not because any or all of them are capable of the job but just to prove that I voted and nulling it from anyone else misusing it. The problem is they treat it as a no-vote so it still wouldn't reflect any involvement from myself (and still potentially leave it open to alteration by a third-party)

I've got to the point where I really don't care about whoever gets in since to be honest I'm not that interested in sticking around in this country to see the outcome (because they are all equally as bad). It's bad when band-aid political change forces apathy on the public. (There's no wonder how Trump got in the US considering him being in is/was a huge shake up since that's what people want, to see the changes made aggressively as opposed to progressively.)
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#6
I got a reply from candidate's campaign manager. In it he told.me that the phone calling was the best method for reaching people who otherwise wouldn't contact them. What? Anyway he also wanted me to confirm if my phone # ended in 37, probably because the call list contains same surname. He said all I had to do would be to call campaign headquarters and ask to be removed from it. Not.like I'll have to worry about it once election is over in June. I told him I felt like he was phishing for.my real identity and good luck with that. IMHO I see the phone call as a desperation measure. I understand this is a different generation then mine, it's like Amazon except we order on phone line.  So impersonal.

I remember being a.scrutineer on some local elections and found it hilarious when people.tried to vote two or three times, first time for themselves and then want to mark a X on the ballot for a deceased relative who some how got on the voter's list despite being dead prior to the list put together. There are people.on the voter list like.my daughter who hasn't. lived in our constituency for 15 years. We have had tried  to have her name removed for future elections but it doesn't matter, she's  back on for the next one. Can't imagine the problems if elections were done online.
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