Culinary style: Do crabs & lobsters deserve protection from being cooked alive?

[Zinjanthropos]

Holy crap!  I just saw this.  I didn’t even know there was such a thing. Gross!

LIFE FEEDING

Nothing like watching Kang & Kodos devoured live. For Christ's sake, kill the goddam thing so it doesn't walk off the plate before you eat it. What happens to the eaten animal's waste products if it was alive when gobbled up? Do you give it a laxative before you gulp it down?

[C C]

Holy crap!  I just saw this.  I didn’t even know there was such a thing. Gross!

LIFE FEEDING

Nothing like watching Kang & Kodos devoured live. For Christ's sake, kill the goddam thing so it doesn't walk off the plate before you eat it. What happens to the eaten animal's waste products if it was alive when gobbled up? Do you give it a laxative before you gulp it down?

"The fish's mouth must move or the chef fails." And speedy preparation is when the skinned snake chunks are still writhing on the dinner plate.

https://youtu.be/zFelfDbkzm4

Waiting for an introduction of the piscine intestinal crank for slowly disemboweling the live fish. Worked great for humans.

https://youtu.be/xEAxFnr_Hz4

https://steemit.com/life/@getonthetrain/...re-methods

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[RainbowUnicorn]

Holy crap!  I just saw this.  I didn’t even know there was such a thing. Gross!

LIFE FEEDING

Nothing like watching Kang & Kodos devoured live. For Christ's sake, kill the goddam thing so it doesn't walk off the plate before you eat it. What happens to the eaten animal's waste products if it was alive when gobbled up? Do you give it a laxative before you gulp it down?

"The fish's mouth must move or the chef fails." And speedy preparation is when the skinned snake chunks are still writhing on the dinner plate.

https://youtu.be/zFelfDbkzm4

Waiting for an introduction of the piscine intestinal crank for slowly disemboweling the live fish. Worked great for humans.

https://youtu.be/xEAxFnr_Hz4

https://steemit.com/life/@getonthetrain/...re-methods

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having a wee bit of expereince with fish, catching & eating them, eating fish from commercial fishermen right off the boat, right out of the water, frozen, tinned, from a shopping-mall/supermarkert/grocer fish shop, from a fisherman from the side of the road sale barrow... etc etc etc...


the one thing you always want to do for better quality fish is to kill it before it hits the bottom of the boat(as quickly as possible).
The general time frame being around no more than 30 seconds from when it leaves the water to the time it is killed.

https://www.youtube-nocookie.com/embed/cBAzhUiJ4ys

From a culinary perspectice, if you were going to a 5 star restaurant and paying top price for fish, you would expect it to be of equal quality.
fish get stressed when they are taken from their normal day to day environment, farm/wild/area...
and when they get stressed they pump hormones(Lactic acids & metabolites) into their muscles to allow them to swim faster.
the more the fish is stressed out, the worse the taste of the fish.
instead of something that melts in your mouth, you have something tasting gamey and is rubbery & fiborous and/or dry.


imagine throwing beef stock in with your chicken because it all tasted like dirty socks.
well.. thats the same with not
"killing fish immediately and keeping them on ice."

[Zinjanthropos]

I just think of the millions of years of evolution that led to the diner's food adapting for survival, only to have it all become moot in what amounts to the geologic microseconds of time that humanity's been around. 

I'm omnivorous, I like a good steak but I'll be damned if I could eat some slimy, slithering, multi-tentacled cephalopod trying to escape from my plate. I've always said eating, like living, should be comfortable. That doesn't include eating a live lobster or cow while they still breathe.

[C C]

From a culinary perspective, if you were going to a 5 star restaurant and paying top price for fish, you would expect it to be of equal quality. fish get stressed when they are taken from their normal day to day environment, farm/wild/area... and when they get stressed they pump hormones(Lactic acids & metabolites) into their muscles to allow them to swim faster. the more the fish is stressed out, the worse the taste of the fish. instead of something that melts in your mouth, you have something tasting gamey and is rubbery & fiborous and/or dry.

As with deer or land beasts at large. Which makes these Sinonese, Nipponese, etc cuisine approaches all the more peculiar. Taste doesn't seem to be a factor anymore than concern about parasites taking up residence in the gut or bloodstream. Or maybe there's some kind of gustatory aberrance involved, part of a more general deliberate orientation which inverts the response to sensory experiences normally conceived as unpleasant (like ice swimming).

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[Zinjanthropos]

From a culinary perspective, if you were going to a 5 star restaurant and paying top price for fish, you would expect it to be of equal quality. fish get stressed when they are taken from their normal day to day environment, farm/wild/area... and when they get stressed they pump hormones(Lactic acids & metabolites) into their muscles to allow them to swim faster. the more the fish is stressed out, the worse the taste of the fish. instead of something that melts in your mouth, you have something tasting gamey and is rubbery & fiborous and/or dry.

As with deer or land beasts at large. Which makes these Sinonese, Nipponese, etc cuisine approaches all the more peculiar. Taste doesn't seem to be a factor anymore than concern about parasites taking up residence in the gut or bloodstream. Or maybe there's some kind of gustatory aberrance involved, part of a more general deliberate orientation which inverts the response to sensory experiences normally conceived as unpleasant (like ice swimming).

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Would there be evolution if one thing didn't eat another? Good thing our ancestors gobbled up critters on the fly, otherwise we might not be here to talk about wriggling dinners.

[RainbowUnicorn]

From a culinary perspective, if you were going to a 5 star restaurant and paying top price for fish, you would expect it to be of equal quality. fish get stressed when they are taken from their normal day to day environment, farm/wild/area... and when they get stressed they pump hormones(Lactic acids & metabolites) into their muscles to allow them to swim faster. the more the fish is stressed out, the worse the taste of the fish. instead of something that melts in your mouth, you have something tasting gamey and is rubbery & fiborous and/or dry.

As with deer or land beasts at large. Which makes these Sinonese, Nipponese, etc cuisine approaches all the more peculiar. Taste doesn't seem to be a factor anymore than concern about parasites taking up residence in the gut or bloodstream. Or maybe there's some kind of gustatory aberrance involved, part of a more general deliberate orientation which inverts the response to sensory experiences normally conceived as unpleasant (like ice swimming).

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just rough memory
Chinese, Korean, Vietnamese cultures have a history of eating dogs.
additionally cats(and everything else literally).
The Asian Religion of beleiving that eating of a wild strong dangerous animal can give you more sexual strength or life power is still just as common as christianity or hindu or muslim.


i do not wish to get too graphic, there are plenty of youtube videos documenting the intentional bad treatment of animals to then cook & eat them beleiving in the religious ideology that it will make you stronger & live longer and have more sexual skill and sexual attraction.

incidentially, the meat is a very nasty taste.
thus the action of torturing the animal to death is part of the religous belief.
probably the most important part.

obviousely culture builds around and rationalises practices of survival, and in places where centurys of war & famine have been normalised, slavery & killing and eating and torturing other living things is deemed also normal.

MDMA/Extasy is potent & actually works
unlike Tiger penis from a dead or living tiger.
soo why is asia not awash with MDMA and in common use and legalised ?

probably because it does not have an element of torture & suffering in it.

look how far japan has come in only 75 years as a culture. they are deemed very peaceful/modern civilised and non violent.
yet as a comparative example, the USA probably consider themselves morally superior to japanses yet have violent crime completely out of control.

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From a culinary perspective, if you were going to a 5 star restaurant and paying top price for fish, you would expect it to be of equal quality. fish get stressed when they are taken from their normal day to day environment, farm/wild/area... and when they get stressed they pump hormones(Lactic acids & metabolites) into their muscles to allow them to swim faster. the more the fish is stressed out, the worse the taste of the fish. instead of something that melts in your mouth, you have something tasting gamey and is rubbery & fiborous and/or dry.

As with deer or land beasts at large. Which makes these Sinonese, Nipponese, etc cuisine approaches all the more peculiar. Taste doesn't seem to be a factor anymore than concern about parasites taking up residence in the gut or bloodstream. Or maybe there's some kind of gustatory aberrance involved, part of a more general deliberate orientation which inverts the response to sensory experiences normally conceived as unpleasant (like ice swimming).

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Would there be evolution if one thing didn't eat another? Good thing our ancestors gobbled up critters on the fly, otherwise we might not be here to talk about wriggling dinners.

indeed, the availibility of protien to the species is argued as being the major defining factor to allow evolution to enable intellectual ability.
this over supply of protien to allow a certain amount of leisure time while having an excess of protien is probably extremely signifigant.

it is only recently that the species has been capable of extracting protien from non living animals to a point that can sustain a person and their breeding.
note small childrens intake of protien availibility is still highly contentious and problematic as a single principal of nutritional ideals.

a parent will always kill the wild beast to feed meat to their baby so it grows strong to survive in the wild or beat all the other humans at the social game etc.

[Zinjanthropos]

Then there's things like the bible telling you what you can or can't eat. Here's a partial list from the KJV of the unclean animals as it pertains to shellfish...... from a United Church internet site:

Shellfish

Abalone
Clam
Crab
Crayfish
Lobster
Mussel
Prawn
Oyster
Scallop
Shrimp

I can see that I'm only 70% of the way through the list. Abalone, crayfish and Oyster have yet to pass by my gums. I strive to be a more complete sinner so I think I'll see what I can do to fix this. 

Funny how God didn't want sacrifices of unclean animals. Even poor old Noah had to bring 7 pairs of clean animals onboard so there were enough around to be sacrificed to God once the floods abated. So in God's wisdom, is it better to eat the clean or sacrifice them to him. The way I BBQ there are always burnt offerings available.

[RainbowUnicorn]

Then there's things like the bible telling you what you can or can't eat. Here's a partial list from the KJV of the unclean animals as it pertains to shellfish...... from a United Church internet site:

Shellfish

Abalone
Clam
Crab
Crayfish
Lobster
Mussel
Prawn
Oyster
Scallop
Shrimp

I can see that I'm only 70% of the way through the list. Abalone, crayfish and Oyster have yet to pass by my gums. I strive to be a more complete sinner so I think I'll see what I can do to fix this. 

Funny how God didn't want sacrifices of unclean animals. Even poor old Noah had to bring 7 pairs of clean animals onboard so there were enough around to be sacrificed to God once the floods abated. So in God's wisdom, is it better to eat the clean or sacrifice them to him. The way I BBQ there are always burnt offerings available.

Clam
Crab
Crayfish
Lobster
Mussel
Prawn
Oyster
Scallop
Shrimp

john dory
terakihi
flounder
snapper