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The CTMU uses unnecessarily complicated language to prove the existence of God

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Music  Zinjanthropos Offline
CTMU can be summed up in just four words...because He just is. 

Been 40 years since I thought of the Exploding God idea. I did it only to give those desperate to believe, like our friend Ostro, a chance to at least know what happened to God, why he's not available. This way a believer doesn't have to believe anymore and can take satisfaction in knowing that God is real and is still around, just slightly incapacitated at the moment. He can't prove himself to us but the evidence suggests he may not have to. 

I'll briefly summarize... God once roamed the pre universal void. Thinking himself omniscient he suddenly realized during a pensive interlude that there was one thing he didn't know. God, this magnificent super intelligent being was in a quandary, he didn't know what it was like to die. So God blew himself up. This was no explosion, simply put.....God disintegrated, reduced himself to the smallest bits of matter one can imagine. May not be death for a god but pretty damn close IMHO. All particles are tiny pieces of God containing divine properties, one of which is life. 

Ahhh....don't think for a moment I actually believe in the idea.  Big Grin Anybody, even a moron like me can write an article that in some minds proves God.
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Ostronomos Offline
(Sep 8, 2017 12:41 AM)Zinjanthropos Wrote:
(Sep 8, 2017 12:02 AM)Secular Sanity Wrote:
(Sep 7, 2017 11:09 PM)Zinjanthropos Wrote: This is a chance to invoke my new policy towards folks who practice sock puppetry, troll, woo merchant, nutter, declaring themselves this or that and generally March to a different beat...... Leave them be, serves no purpose to demean them, they have enough problems already.

I don't know.  I don't think it's as healthy as confrontation.  There are diehard cranks that do tend to get really defensive, but most people have self-inflated assessments simple because they’re inexperienced. They just don’t realize their current limitations.  There's always room for improvement.  

"Paradoxically, improving the skills of participants, and thus increasing their metacognitive competence, helped them recognize the limitations of their abilities." [SOURCE]

Ya but I've grown weary. Can't remember her name but an Internet psychologist, maybe a psychiatrist, had advice on how to confront delusional people. I think it was the 10 things you shouldn't do to a delusional person. No matter that there were only 9 pearls of wisdom listed, some were to refrain from calling them delusional, making fun or name calling. Basically, be nice. I'm trying it out. So far I'm pleased with the results but it's kind of like conversing with a patient in palliative care.

This coming from an anonymous internet acquaintance with no personal contact except over a piece of machinery. There is no confrontation between us and so your insults are empty. And I find it ironic that you say that I am delusional then go on with a pretentious act of kindness. That's really sad.

Quote:CTMU can be summed up in just four words...because He just is. 


Yes. He is. But this in now way sums up the CTMU (which stands for Cognitive Theoretic Model of the Universe). One X, therefore One God. Reality is comparable to self-configuration. Wisdom is information coming from a single source (reality). Meaningless information comes from many (objects).

My belief was incorrect we create meaning. Just as our minds contain a self-configuration of reality, which is self-configuring along with reality (psychologists are still unclear as to what the mind is). Where the mind is not static and therefore not concept, it is self-configuring and therefore unbound.

This is how mind influences reality.



Quote:Been 40 years since I thought of the Exploding God idea. I did it only to give those desperate to believe, like our friend Ostro, a chance to at least know what happened to God, why he's not available. This way a believer doesn't have to believe anymore and can take satisfaction in knowing that God is real and is still around, just slightly incapacitated at the moment. He can't prove himself to us but the evidence suggests he may not have to. 

I'll briefly summarize... God once roamed the pre universal void. Thinking himself omniscient he suddenly realized during a pensive interlude that there was one thing he didn't know. God, this magnificent super intelligent being was in a quandary, he didn't know what it was like to die. So God blew himself up. This was no explosion, simply put.....God disintegrated, reduced himself to the smallest bits of matter one can imagine. May not be death for a god but pretty damn close IMHO. All particles are tiny pieces of God containing divine properties, one of which is life. 

Ahhh....don't think for a moment I actually believe in the idea.  Big Grin Anybody, even a moron like me can write an article that in some minds proves God.

This summary has a few things in common with the CTMU, hence I like it. In the CTMU, S is distributed over S. And S is amenable to theological interpretation. Recall the self-containment of reality which the CTMU explores and elaborates on. Your idea of a suicidal God who can suffer from an existential crisis supposes that God is emotive, which is absolutely correct! He can also be pieced back together, which I have done more times than my fingers can count. The ETS (emo-telic syntax) is emotive.
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Secular Sanity Offline
(Sep 8, 2017 02:16 PM)Ostronomos Wrote: This coming from an anonymous internet acquaintance with no personal contact except over a piece of machinery. There is no confrontation between us and so your insults are empty. And I find it ironic that you say that I am delusional then go on with a pretentious act of kindness. That's really sad.

I was the one that mentioned confrontation, but I never used the word delusional.  That was Zinjanthropos.  

"Pretentious act of kindness"?  That's must be directed towards Zinjanthropos, right?   Because I don't see myself as pretentious or kind. 

I must say, though, that I find it ironic that you’re a self-proclaimed genius holding a common misconception about the observer effect.

That's really sad.
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Ostronomos Offline
(Sep 8, 2017 02:55 PM)Secular Sanity Wrote:
(Sep 8, 2017 02:16 PM)Ostronomos Wrote: This coming from an anonymous internet acquaintance with no personal contact except over a piece of machinery. There is no confrontation between us and so your insults are empty. And I find it ironic that you say that I am delusional then go on with a pretentious act of kindness. That's really sad.

I was the one that mentioned confrontation, but I never used the word delusional.  That was Zinjanthropos.  

"Pretentious act of kindness"?  That's must be directed towards Zinjanthropos, right?   Because I don't see myself as pretentious or kind. 

I must say, though, that I find it ironic that you’re a self-proclaimed genius holding a common misconception about the observer effect.

That's really sad.

What a fiesty form you take. The observer "sees" an electron or photon from a distance which changes its path in the process due to action-at-a-distance. Does this answer satisfy you?
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Secular Sanity Offline
(Sep 8, 2017 03:51 PM)Ostronomos Wrote: What a feisty form you take.

Feisty?  Okay, I’ll give you that.  

Ostronomos Wrote:The observer "sees" an electron or photon from a distance which changes its path in the process due to action-at-a-distance. Does this answer satisfy you?

No.

Why don’t you take the time to google around a little?  Read up on the observer effect and the misconceptions.

See you later, Ostronomos.

Good day to you!
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Zinjanthropos Offline
Ostro, I wasn't the one who said he went from zero to genius. No worry, my new policy will no longer include the word delusional. I like maintainer of a belief. Belief is free but facts are hard to come by.

As for the exploding god idea, as I mentioned one can extrapolate much more from this, such as the universe being alive for instance. Anyway I'll let nature piece god back together. If I was to believe what I write then I see a very good possibility that god might be a machine once reassembled. That would be a kick in the teeth somewhat for believers but it also means god is real, no matter what the end product is, even if it's us.  Wink
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