(Dec 13, 2018 12:05 AM)Syne Wrote: "Skeptical agenda"? Any chance you could unpack what you mean there?
In what way do you feel skepticism is an agenda?
Ufos don't exist, therefore all evidence is either faked or mistaken.
Who said UFOs don't exist? They are unidentified, the "U" in UFO, expressly because we do not have evidence of their source.
Do you specifically mean extraterrestrial space craft? Yeah, that would require identified evidence.
So where I freely accept that many things are unidentifiable, it's the space alien cultists who have a dogmatic agenda to preach their faith.
Definition of ufo: The USAF defines a UFO as: "Anything that relates to any airborne object which by performance, aerodynamic characteristics, or unusual features does not conform to any presently known aircraft or missile type, or which cannot be identified as a familiar object."
(Dec 13, 2018 12:05 AM)Syne Wrote: "Skeptical agenda"? Any chance you could unpack what you mean there?
In what way do you feel skepticism is an agenda?
Ufos don't exist, therefore all evidence is either faked or mistaken.
Who said UFOs don't exist? They are unidentified, the "U" in UFO, expressly because we do not have evidence of their source.
Do you specifically mean extraterrestrial space craft? Yeah, that would require identified evidence.
So where I freely accept that many things are unidentifiable, it's the space alien cultists who have a dogmatic agenda to preach their faith.
Definition of ufo: The USAF defines a UFO as: "Anything that relates to any airborne object which by performance, aerodynamic characteristics, or unusual features does not conform to any presently known aircraft or missile type, or which cannot be identified as a familiar object."
Sooooo...you're not claiming they're extraterrestrial spacecraft? O_o
Drones can be made in any size and shape you can imagine. You might not be familiar with someone's homemade drone, but that only makes it unidentified...not alien. Especially considering that still pictures cannot show performance, and even so, modern drones can do the high-speed sudden direction changes remarked on of the performance of many UFOs.
Quote:Sooooo...you're not claiming they're extraterrestrial spacecraft?
No..that would be an IFO, just like saying it is a drone. A true ufo is unidentified and displays characteristics beyond any manmade or natural object. We just don't know what they are, but we definitely know they exist and have been witnessed thousands of times since the 1940's.
SyneDec 13, 2018 06:48 AM (This post was last modified: Dec 13, 2018 07:28 AM by Syne.)
(Dec 13, 2018 03:55 AM)Magical Realist Wrote:
Quote:Sooooo...you're not claiming they're extraterrestrial spacecraft?
No..that would be an IFO, just like saying it is a drone. A true ufo is unidentified and displays characteristics beyond any manmade or natural object. We just don't know what they are, but we definitely know they exist and have been witnessed thousands of times since the 1940's.
Who said it was definitely a drone? O_o
Only pointing out that characteristics once thought to not be man-made or natural (and could have been top secret/experimental at the time) are now commonplace.
And that "unidentified" ensures that any assertions about their origins can only be pure speculation.
Now if you're just posting about unidentified flying objects, without presuming their origins, all these posts are pretty trivial. No one questions that most of these were actually photographed or witnessed. But most these stories also tend to include assertions about their origins. If you're saying that those unfounded claims are not valid, then we agree completely. Glad to have that all sorted.
Quote:Now if you're just posting about unidentified flying objects, without presuming their origins, all these posts are pretty trivial.
No..it is not trivial that flying objects exist in our atmosphere that defy anything made by man or by nature. In fact it's rather extraordinary. Until we make contact with the intelligences behind them, we have to suspend judgment as to their origins.
(Mar 6, 2016 11:24 PM)Magical Realist Wrote: Skeptics might suggest it could have been drone but a friend of John’s – a local shepherd – says stuff like this happens all the time
What is it about shepherds? Happens all the time? Will somebody buy these shepherds cameras.
When I look at this photo I can't help but notice how asymmetrical the arrangement of lights are and it reminds me of stringing Xmas lights....very hard to get them looking perfect, always get varying degrees of brightness from each bulb because they all don't hang nicely due to stiff electric cord they're attached to. Those are just the lights hanging from my straight eavestrough so imagine trying to wrap the same cord around something circular. Depending on where bulbs are attached it may even look hexagonal as this arrangement somewhat attests to.
Anyways, what is the object to the far right? A door or window frame of Old MacDonald's vehicle? If this is the best picture than I'd love to see the worst. Nothing clear in this blurry snapshot. Well that object on far right looks clear however.
Quote:Now if you're just posting about unidentified flying objects, without presuming their origins, all these posts are pretty trivial.
No..it is not trivial that flying objects exist in our atmosphere that defy anything made by man or by nature. In fact it's rather extraordinary. Until we make contact with the intelligences behind them, we have to suspend judgment as to their origins.
Do you accept that "the intelligences" behind them may be human? O_o
Quote:Now if you're just posting about unidentified flying objects, without presuming their origins, all these posts are pretty trivial.
No..it is not trivial that flying objects exist in our atmosphere that defy anything made by man or by nature. In fact it's rather extraordinary. Until we make contact with the intelligences behind them, we have to suspend judgment as to their origins.
Do you accept that "the intelligences" behind them may be human? O_o
No...these objects are beyond anything humans can create. They are flying discs and oval shaped objects that hover silently and zip around and even appear and disappear. We have no technology like that.
C CDec 13, 2018 05:57 PM (This post was last modified: Dec 13, 2018 05:58 PM by C C.)
(Dec 13, 2018 02:32 PM)Zinjanthropos Wrote: Anyways, what is the object to the far right? A door or window frame of Old MacDonald's vehicle?
The far right aberration makes it look like an image on a signboard that's resting upright inside a room or lobby. Of course, it could also be a picture that was placed over a background or beside another photo on a web or magazine page, that was sloppily clipped from the latter and distributed to these secondary outlets like Metro UK.
Going back to lighting adjustments of the image made by photo editor, the inner bulge of lights and the outer ring of lights don't seem to be part of a single object or structure which integrates both.