What Britain’s new leader is learning from Donald Trump

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Rotsa ruck with even other populists ramming things through as aggressively as Trump. Much less a traditional establishment party being effectively "active" in any direction that's going to please or subdue the wrath of the anti-elitist crowds.
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What Britain’s new leader is learning from Donald Trump
https://www.politico.eu/article/uk-new-l...ald-trump/

INTRO: Andy Burnham’s political success depends on his ability to turn Britain away from the wave of nationalist populism that gave the world Donald Trump.

That has not stopped the U.K.’s incoming prime minister from studying the president’s rise, and — deliberately or not — embracing some of his methods for the political battles with the British right that lie ahead.

“Trump is very unpopular in Britain,” said Luke Tryl, executive director at More in Common U.K., a think-tank and polling agency. “But even people who really don’t like him will say, at least he does what he says he’ll do.” Just being seen to be active in this way is something Burnham “can learn” from insurgent populists like Trump, Ttyl added.

Burnham, the new leader of the center-left Labour Party, takes over as U.K. prime minister on Monday. He has been catapulted into power by his colleagues, who fear being wiped out at the next general election after months of missteps and scandals under outgoing premier Keir Starmer.

The far-right populist Reform UK party — founded five years ago and led by Trump ally Nigel Farage — has stormed the board in recent elections across the country, shattering Labour’s traditional strongholds and leading opinion polls nationally for more than a year.

Labour MPs hope Burnham can be the fresh-faced outsider to revive the party’s wilting relationship with the increasingly cynical voters it has lost. He has been clear for years about the party’s task: If Labour fails, British politics, he says, are in danger of following the United States and electing the most right-wing government it has ever seen.. (MORE - details)


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https://youtu.be/Rx7d18yrNJw

VIDEO EXCERPT: The demand and the pressure on Andy Burnham to call a snap general election is building. And to the naysayers, just watch what I highlight in this video before you dismiss such a prospect because pressure really is building already...

UK election pressure is exploding ... https://youtu.be/Rx7d18yrNJw

https://www.youtube-nocookie.com/embed/Rx7d18yrNJw
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(Yesterday 05:16 AM)C C Wrote: Labour MPs hope Burnham can be the fresh-faced outsider to revive the party’s wilting relationship with the increasingly cynical voters it has lost.
Really? A career politician is an "outsider"? 9_9

Quote:He has been clear for years about the party’s task: If Labour fails, British politics, he says, are in danger of following the United States and electing the most right-wing government it has ever seen..
Without the effective controlled opposition of the Tories, it must be truly scary.

Quote:The demand and the pressure on Andy Burnham to call a snap general election is building. And to the naysayers, just watch what I highlight in this video before you dismiss such a prospect because pressure really is building already...
I'm sure there's pressure, but wouldn't that be almost assured political suicide for Burnham?
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(Yesterday 05:16 AM)C C Wrote: Rotsa ruck with even other populists ramming things through as aggressively as Trump. Much less a traditional establishment party being effectively "active" in any direction that's going to please or subdue the wrath of the anti-elitist crowds.

I think that what's agitating the people are social issues as much as economic ones. Foremost among them are open borders, the migrant crisis, 'multiculturalism', rejection of the country's own people, history and traditions, and the race and gender craziness. That's true in both the US and UK. And is there any chance that Labour will deemphasize those issues? Especially when it's being challenged from the left by the Green Party?

Quote:What Britain’s new leader is learning from Donald Trump
https://www.politico.eu/article/uk-new-l...ald-trump/

Politico is a left-leaning publication. I assume that their goal in this piece is to help Labour, who they perceive (rightly) to be in trouble.

Quote:INTRO: Andy Burnham’s political success depends on his ability to turn Britain away from the wave of nationalist populism that gave the world Donald Trump.

Really? Or might his political success depend on his ability to listen to the people's concerns and heed their desires? In a democracy, isn't that how one is supposed to win elections?

Quote:That has not stopped the U.K.’s incoming prime minister from studying the president’s rise, and — deliberately or not — embracing some of his methods for the political battles with the British right that lie ahead.

“Trump is very unpopular in Britain,” said Luke Tryl, executive director at More in Common U.K., a think-tank and polling agency. “But even people who really don’t like him will say, at least he does what he says he’ll do.” Just being seen to be active in this way is something Burnham “can learn” from insurgent populists like Trump, Ttyl added.

Maybe. But politics in Britain and the United States don't depend on the personal popularity of one man. They are functions of the popularity of a party's agenda and of what it proposes to do.

Just forging ahead come hell or high water in order to show "strength" won't win a party support if the actions they take are deeply unpopular.

Quote:Burnham, the new leader of the center-left Labour Party

"Center-left" isn't how I would describe Labour. Britain's Conservative party would better be called 'center-left'. Ever since Margaret Thatcher, the Conservatives have slippy-slid to the left, hoping to co-opt Labour by advancing 'kinder-gentler' versions of the same policies. The same electoral strategy that the Christian Democrats used in Germany.

The result is that Labour and the Conservatives are almost indistinguishable when they are in power, despite sounding different when they are campaigning for votes. Britain essentially has one single Uniparty that pursues the same policies and displays the same vision, regardless of who is in power. Nothing seems to change.

Quote:The far-right populist Reform UK party

It's amazing how in 2026 a party is labeled "far right" for espousing policies that were mainstream in the 20'th century.

For the last 20 years, the left has tried to work a social revolution in the US, Britain and Europe, seeking to transform everything into... something else. The open-borders migrant-wave is just one part of that. And today those who would have been 'liberals' in the mid 20th century have somehow become 'far right'. That's how far the definition of the "center" (the Overton window) has been moved left.

Quote:Labour MPs hope Burnham can be the fresh-faced outsider to revive the party’s wilting relationship with the increasingly cynical voters it has lost.

The secret to winning elections isn't so much a "fresh face" as it is fresh ideas - Ideas that take heed and are shaped by what the people want and are willing to vote for.

Quote:He has been clear for years about the party’s task: If Labour fails, British politics, he says, are in danger of following the United States and electing the most right-wing government it has ever seen.

A Reform government probably wouldn't be any more "right-wing" than most of Britain's 20th century governments, even the Labour ones. I believe that it would be a good thing both for Britain and for the world.
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(Yesterday 06:45 AM)Syne Wrote:
(Yesterday 05:16 AM)C C Wrote: Labour MPs hope Burnham can be the fresh-faced outsider to revive the party’s wilting relationship with the increasingly cynical voters it has lost.
Really? A career politician is an "outsider"? 9_9

He's seen as an outsider because originally he wasn't in the runnings for being Prime Minister. That only came about because of GBNews and Farage due to their continuous insidious attacks on Keir Starmer from when he first became PM. (GBNews has been brainwashing all those that will listen to their pov.)

Syne Wrote:
C C Wrote:He has been clear for years about the party’s task: If Labour fails, British politics, he says, are in danger of following the United States and electing the most right-wing government it has ever seen..
Without the effective controlled opposition of the Tories, it must be truly scary.
The concern is that the country has been going down the hole due to various ideals spread by other countries, specifically the US. The misusage of Social Networking to spread half-truths and absolute lies to ramp up blatant hysteria is a major concern for the country. It's one of the main reasons that we've seen 7 different Prime Ministers in 10 years, it's not something that would of happened back when social networking was in its infancy.

Even as Trump likes to frame it, Social Media is rampant with insidious attempts to undermine governance in all forms from individuals doing it to be cool right through to state operators wanting to make sure that a country they worry about can't pull itself together and be the threat they fear.


Syne Wrote:
CC Wrote:The demand and the pressure on Andy Burnham to call a snap general election is building. And to the naysayers, just watch what I highlight in this video before you dismiss such a prospect because pressure really is building already...
I'm sure there's pressure, but wouldn't that be almost assured political suicide for Burnham?
This is the problem with the current misuse of social media. There's too many people with too many agendas pushing for destructive decision making and very little going towards attempting to create stability. We've not had a natural general election for a number of years now due to the push-me-pull-you's of social numbskullery.
The country needs a reset in regards to Social Media/Social Networks.

The simplest option is to actually ban all foreign financed social media and look to having a grassroots network that is meant for the UK audience. That of course requires time, money and of course getting people to do the job.
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(Yesterday 07:58 AM)stryder Wrote: He's seen as an outsider because originally he wasn't in the runnings for being Prime Minister. That only came about because of GBNews and Farage due to their continuous insidious attacks on Keir Starmer from when he first became PM. (GBNews has been brainwashing all those that will listen to their pov.)
The state lost control of the narrative.

Quote:The concern is that the country has been going down the hole due to various ideals spread by other countries, specifically the US. The misusage of Social Networking to spread half-truths and absolute lies to ramp up blatant hysteria is a major concern for the country. It's one of the main reasons that we've seen 7 different Prime Ministers in 10 years, it's not something that would of happened back when social networking was in its infancy.
The state lost control of the narrative.

Quote:This is the problem with the current misuse of social media. There's too many people with too many agendas pushing for destructive decision making and very little going towards attempting to create stability. We've not had a natural general election for a number of years now due to the push-me-pull-you's of social numbskullery.
The country needs a reset in regards to Social Media/Social Networks.

The simplest option is to actually ban all foreign financed social media and look to having a grassroots network that is meant for the UK audience. That of course requires time, money and of course getting people to do the job.
So the state can regain control of the narrative.

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(Yesterday 07:58 AM)stryder Wrote: He's seen as an outsider because originally he wasn't in the runnings for being Prime Minister. That only came about because of GBNews and Farage due to their continuous insidious attacks on Keir Starmer from when he first became PM. (GBNews has been brainwashing all those that will listen to their pov.) [...] This is the problem with the current misuse of social media. There's too many people with too many agendas pushing for destructive decision making and very little going towards attempting to create stability...

GB News doesn't seem to have anything close to the ratings, audience, and clout of 30-year-old Fox News in the US, or even its specialized emulators. That said, though, the way a PM can be removed at any time once confidence is lost seems to make the UK's system particularly vulnerable to the twists and turns of 21st-century media overall. While the US has impeachment (to abuse), it's not as convenient and has yet to score a success.

So ultimately, if this revolving door of PMs keeps up, the governmental process may have to evolve or radically adapt to this contemporary era to better guarantee a PM can at least stay in office for four to five years (like across the pond). No doubt such a modification would be regarded as sacrilege (a blasphemous alteration impossible to conceive). But the sheer lack of immunity to the virus-related conditions of this "new world" may eventually warrant the unthinkable.
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