Trump threatens 10% tariffs to Nato allies over Greenland deal

[Yazata]

Trump disguises himself as a Muslim migrant, so that Europe will let him invade Greenland.

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[Zinjanthropos]

Trump disguises himself as a Muslim migrant, so that Europe will let him invade Greenland.

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Wouldn’t surprise me . Truly funny. 

All Quiet on the Niagara Front.

We don’t want to have to put more land aside for things like this:
https://www.niagarafallstourism.com/play...at%20time.

[Yazata]

President Trump is in Davos Switzerland at the World Economic Forum, the gathering of the world's self-appointed elites who believe they rule the world, after skipping it last year. (Davos-Man is the creature that told you to eat bugs and that you will own nothing, and like it.) This time he was accompanied by a large delegation including Secretary of State Marco Rubio and designated international negotiator Steve Witkoff.

The gathering was dominated by Greenland and meetings with hysterical Europeans. As I expect the plan was all along. Ask for more than you know you can get as an opening position, then negotiate down from there and accept what you really wanted as if it is a compromise.

And President Trump just announced that, led by himself and NATO Secretary General Mark Rutte, the outlines of what Trump calls a "very good deal" have been reached. He says that he has already spoken with the Prime Minister of Denmark.

While no details have been released yet, I'm guessing that the United States won't be annexing Greenland as US territory. But it sounds like the US has been given control of Greenland's defense. The US might also have been given some kind of access to development of Greenland's mineral wealth as well.

The details remain to be revealed.

[Magical Realist]

Looks like he totally failed to get Greenland. All the veiled threats of taking it by force and getting it one way or another and imposing tariffs just sound and fury signifying nothing. If anything that obnoxious behavior only made the EU form a more united and resolved front not to sell it. No ingenious dealmaker here. Just the usual incompetence of a babbling fool. Sad..

[Syne]

As I expect the plan was all along. Ask for more than you know you can get as an opening position, then negotiate down from there and accept what you really wanted as if it is a compromise.

Yep.

I don't know why people have failed to understand Trump's strategy... in just about everything.
1. Make a big ask... to open negotiations.
2. If no one comes to the table, find some way to apply pressure so they will... whether that's military threats, tariffs, etc..
3. Seek a mutual agreement to accomplish his goals... which usually isn't every part of the big ask.

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Looks like he totally failing to get Greenland. All the veiled threats of taking it by force and getting it one way or another just sound and fury signifying nothing. If anything that behavior only made the EU form a more united and resolved front not to sell it. No ingenious dealmaker here. Just the usual babbling fool. Sad..

The "big ask" is never his end goal.
And like he's said, he's done more to strengthen NATO than anyone... specifically by making Europe take their own defense seriously and invest in it.
The US being able to use Greenland for our national defense and interests while getting Europe to foot more of the bill for NATO defense.

Sounds like he might be getting everything he really wanted... and in a win-win for other NATO countries too.

[Magical Realist]

As I expect the plan was all along. Ask for more than you know you can get as an opening position, then negotiate down from there and accept what you really wanted as if it is a compromise.

Yep.

I don't know why people have failed to understand Trump's strategy... in just about everything.
1. Make a big ask... to open negotiations.
2. If no one comes to the table, find some way to apply pressure so they will... whether that's military threats, tariffs, etc..
3. Seek a mutual agreement to accomplish his goals... which usually isn't every part of the big ask.

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Looks like he totally failed to get Greenland. All the veiled threats of taking it by force and getting it one way or another and use of tariffs just sound and fury signifying nothing. If anything that behavior only made the EU form a more united and resolved front not to sell it. No ingenious dealmaker here. Just the usual babbling fool. Sad..

The "big ask" is never his end goal.
And like he's said, he's done more to strengthen NATO than anyone... specifically by making Europe take their own defense seriously and invest in it.
The US being able to use Greenland for our national defense and interests while getting Europe to foot more of the bill for NATO defense.

Sounds like he might be getting everything he really wanted... and in a win-win for other NATO countries too.

He had all the free access to Greenland he needed already as the prime military defender of Greenland. There was no need to buy it or take it over in the first place. All theatrics and fluster again. "Look how tough I am. They will bow before me."

[Syne]

I'm betting Yaz is right about a new agreement including some degree of mineral/energy development, to offset our costs over the decades.

Your problem if you still believe Trump's "big ask" every time.

"The Art of the Deal" by Donald Trump outlines his philosophy of negotiation, emphasizing "thinking big," creating leverage, promoting oneself, maximizing options, knowing the market, using "brutal honesty," and anticipating the worst while playing to fantasies, all centered around achieving "wins" in high-stakes situations, whether real estate or policy. The phrase "big ask" relates to this approach, reflecting Trump's tendency to demand significant concessions or propose grand projects, seeing every issue as a chance to leverage power for a decisive victory, like getting tariff exemptions from China or influencing university decisions.
- Google AI

[Magical Realist]

US once had as many as 15 bases in Greenland in the 1940s and are down to just one. I was stationed in Adak in 95 and they shut that base down in 97. Such are the effects of the Cold war ending. Ruskies aren't sneaking around the arctic anymore. They have bigger fish to fry. And long range nuclear missiles.

[Secular Sanity]

President Trump is in Davos Switzerland at the World Economic Forum, the gathering of the world's self-appointed elites who believe they rule the world, after skipping it last year. (Davos-Man is the creature that told you to eat bugs and that you will own nothing, and like it.) This time he was accompanied by a large delegation including Secretary of State Marco Rubio and designated international negotiator Steve Witkoff.

The gathering was dominated by Greenland and meetings with hysterical Europeans. As I expect the plan was all along. Ask for more than you know you can get as an opening position, then negotiate down from there and accept what you really wanted as if it is a compromise.

And President Trump just announced that, led by himself and NATO Secretary General Mark Rutte, the outlines of what Trump calls a "very good deal" have been reached. He says that he has already spoken with the Prime Minister of Denmark.

While no details have been released yet, I'm guessing that the United States won't be annexing Greenland as US territory. But it sounds like the US has been given control of Greenland's defense. The US might also have been given some kind of access to development of Greenland's mineral wealth as well.

The details remain to be revealed.

Could be shipping routes, too. 

https://www.brown.edu/news/2022-06-22/arctic

[C C]

By taking a win on Greenland, Trump set US & allied security in the Arctic on a better path
https://www.atlanticcouncil.org/dispatch...tter-path/

EXCERPTS: The best line of Donald Trump’s speech to the World Economic Forum in Davos was his pledge that the United States would not use force to seize Greenland. But the best news of the day was the announcement a short time later that the United States had reached a “framework” deal with NATO Secretary General Mark Rutte on Arctic security, and the US president was therefore rescinding the tariffs against Denmark and several other European countries that Trump had announced just days earlier.

While the details of the deal are still emerging, it may be that [...] Trump decided to take a win on Arctic security and forgo a needless fight on Greenland’s sovereignty.

[...] Trump argued that the United States was mistaken to “return” Greenland to Denmark after World War II. The United States did put military bases on Greenland during the war after Germany conquered Denmark in April 1940. But the United States never annexed Greenland during the war: it put military facilities on it pursuant to an agreement with the Danish government-in-exile, and that agreement recognized continued Danish sovereignty over Greenland. In 1951, the United States and Denmark concluded the Defense of Greenland Agreement, which enshrined extensive US basing rights.

While Trump ruled out war to conquer Greenland, he did suggest, albeit obliquely, that continued US support for Ukraine and for NATO depended on European acquiescence in his demands for Greenland. “Now what I’m asking for is a piece of ice,” Trump said of Greenland. “It’s a very small ask compared to what we have given them for many, many decades,” he added about NATO. To underscore the point, Trump said several times in the speech that allies had not been there for the United States.

[...] Trump rightly pointed out that NATO nations have not devoted enough to defense. He also took credit, also rightly, for helping fix that problem by pushing for NATO’s decision at its 2025 summit in The Hague to set new, high targets for members’ military spending. But Trump cannot take a win on NATO defense spending and then demand that NATO members acquiesce to US aggression against a fellow NATO member.

[...] Though details so far are thin, the meeting between Trump and Rutte seems to have settled on just that sort of deal: some arrangement to bolster security in the Arctic and, one hopes, the United States backing off on meritless claims to Greenland. Trump could justly claim such an arrangement as a win for both US and allied security in the Arctic... (MORE - missing details)