Trump spreads lies about Federal hurricane disaster relief

[Magical Realist]

LOL Trumpers now all suddenly becoming experts in Congressional funding procedures. Why can't you just admit you were fooled again by Trump's lies? Everything that comes out of his mouth is total bullshit.

[Syne]

LOL Trumpers now all suddenly becoming experts in Congressional funding procedures. Why can't you just admit you were fooled again by Trump's lies? Everything that comes out of his mouth is total bullshit.

Thanks for admitting you have no evidence for you're bullshit argument that no emergency funds were used for immigrants. Otherwise, certainly you'd rub our noses in it.

I guess MSNBC really has been making you dumber: https://www.scivillage.com/thread-16622.html

[Yazata]

Apparently "the truth" changes based on what narrative best serves their political purposes that particular day.

https://x.com/ajtourville/status/1842722187238871484

[Magical Realist]

no evidence for you're bullshit argument that no emergency funds were used for immigrants

Already posted it. Here it is again:

"This week, Republicans, including Texas Governor Greg Abbott and Donald Trump Jr., took issue with $640 million of FEMA funding allocated for assisting migrants after Homeland Security Secretary Alejandro Mayorkas' said that FEMA was "meeting the immediate needs with the money that we have," while adding that the agency did not have enough funding to make it through another hurricane this season.

"This is easy," Texas Governor Greg Abbot posted on X, formerly Twitter. "Mayorkas and FEMA — immediately stop spending money on illegal immigration resettlement and redirect those funds to areas hit by the hurricane. Put Americans first."

Donald Trump Jr, son of Republican nominee Donald Trump, posted: "So FEMA is almost out of money to help with Federal Emergencies (you know the FE in FEMA) because they spent almost $1,000,000,000 helping illegal immigrants over the last two years."

The government agency has set up a page to address these circulating rumors regarding its response to Hurricane Helene, which hit numerous East Coast states at the end of September, killing at least 120 people.

Addressing claims that FEMA does not have enough money to help with the aftermath of Hurricane Helene, the page reads: "FEMA has enough money right now for immediate response and recovery needs. If you were affected by Helene, do not hesitate to apply for disaster assistance as there is a variety of help available for different needs."

Congress recently granted $20 billion for the agency's disaster relief fund as part of a short-term government spending bill to fund the government through December 20.

Replying to the rumor that funding for FEMA disaster response had been "diverted to support international efforts or border related issues," the government agency said on its specially dedicated fact check page: "This is false. No money is being diverted from disaster response needs. FEMA's disaster response efforts and individual assistance is funded through the Disaster Relief Fund, which is a dedicated fund for disaster efforts. Disaster Relief Fund money has not been diverted to other, non-disaster related efforts."

Some X users, including Texas Representative Dan Crenshaw, accused FEMA of diverting funds for disaster relief to the Shelter and Services Program, which provides money for migrant services.

"Maybe, just maybe, the Biden-Harris Administration should stop diverting FEMA funds—meant to help AMERICANS during disaster recovery—to facilitate mass-paroling illegal migrants into the country," Crenshaw posted on X.

A Department for Homeland Security spokesperson told Newsweek: "These claims are completely false. As Secretary Mayorkas said, FEMA has the necessary resources to meet the immediate needs associated with Hurricane Helene and other disasters."

"The Shelter and Services Program (SSP) is a completely separate, appropriated grant program that was authorized and funded by Congress and is not associated in any way with FEMA's disaster-related authorities or funding streams.-----
https://www.newsweek.com/fema-response-a...ts-1963702

Then again I get all my news from the conspiratorial mainstream media, so I may not be privy to the "alternative facts" of Breitbart and Fox News.

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Apparently "the truth" changes based on what narrative best serves their political purposes that particular day. 

https://x.com/ajtourville/status/1842722187238871484

Nothing contradictory at all there. Two separate programs, each with their own funding:

"FEMA's disaster response efforts and individual assistance is funded through the Disaster Relief Fund, which is a dedicated fund for disaster efforts."

"The Shelter and Services Program (SSP) is a completely separate, appropriated grant program that was authorized and funded by Congress and is not associated in any way with FEMA's disaster-related authorities or funding streams"

[Syne]

Nothing you've posted proves that the funding is not fungible between the two programs.

What a Biden-Harris Department for Homeland Security spokesperson says can be just as much a lie as many other things coming from their administration. Unless or until you can show me the funding is separate and solely dedicated to said program (and accounted for to exclude embezzlement)... which is all available online... it just sounds like more Democrat lies push, here, by a dumbed down MSNBC viewer.

But you just keep parroting leftists. We all know you can't make any substantive arguments of your own.

[Magical Realist]

Unless or until you can show me the funding is separate and solely dedicated to said program

It doesn't work like that.. You are the ones making the initial claim, so the burden is on you to prove it. I've disproven it with actual quotes from the FEMA website. Where's your evidence? Where did the rumor even come from? Marjorie Taylor Green? lol

But you just keep parroting leftists. We all know you can't make any substantive arguments of your own.

So tell me, do you believe Trump when he says he actually won the last election? Why not? Seems like something the "establishment" could easily have rigged in Biden's favor.

[Syne]

You cannot prove a negative. In this case, the negative claim is that there is no evidence that different FEMA program funding is strictly separate.
You're making the positive claim that is it. Since I've already tried to do due diligence to find evidence for your positive claim (doing your work for you), to no avail, I can only assume the negative claim is true. If you're too stupid or lazy to provide anything else, your claims are worthless.

And now you're just lying. You haven't cited the FEMA website anywhere in this thread. Just that Newsweek article, with the lying Biden-Harris administration DHS spokesperson.

If you paid any attention at all, you'd know that Trump admits he lost the last election. But we all know this is just you desperately trying to distract from your baseless claims.


All I can find is that DHS is who allocates the funding for the Shelter and Services Program:

Today, the Department of Homeland Security (DHS), through the Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA) and U.S. Customs and Border Protection (CBP), announced the allocation of over $380 million through the Shelter and Services Program (SSP). Through the SSP, DHS directly supports communities that are providing critical support such as food, shelter, clothing, acute medical care, and transportation to noncitizens recently released from DHS custody and awaiting their immigration court proceedings.
- https://www.dhs.gov/news/2024/08/28/depa...ommunities

That is one bureaucratic agency just deciding how to allocate funds. That's not Congress specifically earmarking specific appropriations for the program. IOW, it's all fungible.

[Magical Realist]

You cannot prove a negative. In this case, the negative claim is that there is no evidence that different FEMA program funding is strictly separate.

Liar. That's not your claim at all. Your claim is that FEMA diverted money from the Disaster Relief program to the Shelter and Services program, which is a positive claim you have yet to back up with any evidence. The burden is on you, and you have failed miserably.

And now you're just lying. You haven't cited the FEMA website anywhere in this thread.

Liar. The quote from the FEMA website is right there in the Newsweek article:

"Replying to the rumor that funding for FEMA disaster response had been "diverted to support international efforts or border related issues," the government agency said on its specially dedicated fact check page: "This is false. No money is being diverted from disaster response needs. FEMA's disaster response efforts and individual assistance is funded through the Disaster Relief Fund, which is a dedicated fund for disaster efforts. Disaster Relief Fund money has not been diverted to other, non-disaster related efforts."

If you paid any attention at all, you'd know that Trump admits he lost the last election. But we all know this is just you desperately trying to distract from your baseless claims.

Liar. Here's what Trump said during the debate with Harris:

"In the ABC presidential debate Tuesday, former President Donald Trump was asked if he was admitting that his campaign lost the 2020 election to Joe Biden when he was quoted as saying his campaign “lost by a whisker.” Trump instead doubled down on his false assertion that he won the election.

“I did that sarcastically,” Trump said. “All you have to do is look at it and they should have sent it back to the legislatures for approval. I got almost 75 million votes, the most votes any sitting president has ever gotten. I was told if I got 63, which is what I got in 2016, you can’t be beaten.”

All I can find is that DHS is who allocates the funding for the Shelter and Services Program:

Which doesn't prove shit. Admit it. You all swallowed Trump's lie whole. And now it's time to pay the piper. Fess up now..

[Syne]

You cannot prove a negative. In this case, the negative claim is that there is no evidence that different FEMA program funding is strictly separate.

Liar. That's not your claim at all. Your claim is that FEMA diverted money from the Disaster Relief program to the Shelter and Services program, which is a positive claim you have yet to back up with any evidence. The burden is on you, and you have failed miserably.

Then show where I said funds were diverted, moron. You can't because it never happened... other than in your delusional head.
So you're still lying.

And now you're just lying. You haven't cited the FEMA website anywhere in this thread.

Liar. The quote from the FEMA website is right there in the Newsweek article:

"Replying to the rumor that funding for FEMA disaster response had been "diverted to support international efforts or border related issues," the government agency said on its specially dedicated fact check page: "This is false. No money is being diverted from disaster response needs. FEMA's disaster response efforts and individual assistance is funded through the Disaster Relief Fund, which is a dedicated fund for disaster efforts. Disaster Relief Fund money has not been diverted to other, non-disaster related efforts."

You said, "I've disproven it with actual quotes from the FEMA website."
Neither you nor the Newsweek article link to the FEMA website. If you have one, quit being lazy and post it.

If you paid any attention at all, you'd know that Trump admits he lost the last election. But we all know this is just you desperately trying to distract from your baseless claims.

Liar. Here's what Trump said during the debate with Harris:

  "In the ABC presidential debate Tuesday, former President Donald Trump was asked if he was admitting that his campaign lost the 2020 election to Joe Biden when he was quoted as saying his campaign “lost by a whisker.” Trump instead doubled down on his false assertion that he won the election.

“I did that sarcastically,” Trump said. “All you have to do is look at it and they should have sent it back to the legislatures for approval. I got almost 75 million votes, the most votes any sitting president has ever gotten. I was told if I got 63, which is what I got in 2016, you can’t be beaten.”

Trump is trolling you morons.

All I can find is that DHS is who allocates the funding for the Shelter and Services Program:

Which doesn't prove shit. Admit it. You all swallowed Trump's lie whole. And now it's time to pay the piper. Fess up now..

I've done due diligence to try to find support for YOUR CLAIM, and I came up empty.
If you've got nothing else, you're just a lazy prick talking out of your ass. As usual.

[Magical Realist]

Then show where I said funds were diverted, moron. You can't because it never happened... other than in your delusional head.

That's what we're arguing about dumbass. If you are now saying that no funds were diverted from the Disaster Relief program to the Shelter and Services program then there is nothing more to argue about. Quit wasting my time.

Neither you nor the Newsweek article link to the FEMA website. If you have one, quit being lazy and post it.

I'm not posting shit for you. You lied and said I didn't post a quote from the FEMA website. I posted where I in fact did that. That's what quotation marks mean. It's a quote.

Trump is trolling you morons.

Liar. Trump says in his own words he doesn't believe he lost the election. It's right there.

I've done due diligence to try to find support for YOUR CLAIM, and I came up empty.

My claim is that funds were not diverted from FEMA's Disaster Relief program. And as you said you can't prove a negative. So again you've failed to prove your own claim. It was all Trump's lie. And you got suckered into it like the gullible sheep you are.