Trump spreads lies about Federal hurricane disaster relief

[Syne]

Then show where I said funds were diverted, moron. You can't because it never happened... other than in your delusional head.

That's what we're arguing about dumbass. If you are now saying that no funds were diverted from the Disaster Relief program to the Shelter and Services program then there is nothing more to argue about. Quit wasting my time.

For something to be "diverted" it would have to be separate funds... one diverted into another. I've said from the beginning that the funding is likely all fungible, which means that there is no strict separation to begin with. In which case, there is no "diversion" of funds. There's just how the Biden-Harris administration chose to allocate it, prioritizing their self-made border crisis over Americans in actual disasters.

But I know you have comprehension problems, shit-for-brains.

Neither you nor the Newsweek article link to the FEMA website. If you have one, quit being lazy and post it.

I'm not posting shit for you. You lied and said I didn't post a quote from the FEMA website. I posted where I in fact did that. That's what quotation marks mean. It's a quote.

You literally didn't post from the FEMA website. You posted a news article, moron.

Trump is trolling you morons.

Liar. Trump says in his own words he doesn't believe he lost the election. It's right there.

And the trolling works even when you're told it's trolling. That's how pernicious TDS is.

I've done due diligence to try to find support for YOUR CLAIM, and I came up empty.

My claim is that funds were not diverted from FEMA's Disaster Relief program. And as you said you can't prove a negative. So again you've failed to prove your own claim. It was all Trump's lie. And you got suckered into it like the gullible sheep you are.

"Not diverted" entails that strictly separate funds exist (e.g. the positive claim). I've been saying it's all fungible because there is no strict separation of funds (e.g the negative claim).

But you've been far too dumbed down by MSNBC to comprehend that simple fact.

[Magical Realist]

I've said from the beginning that the funding is likely all fungible,

Which is also a positive claim you have failed to support with any evidence. How many more ways do you want to lose this argument?

"The Shelter and Services Program (SSP) is a completely separate, appropriated grant program that was authorized and funded by Congress and is not associated in any way with FEMA's disaster-related authorities or funding streams"

You literally didn't post from the FEMA website. You posted a news article, moron.

I said I posted a quote from the FEMA website which is exactly what I did. The quote is a quote no matter what the source. You claimed I didn't and were proven to be lying.

And the trolling works even when you're told it's trolling.

I have Trump's own admission he doesn't believe he lost the election. What have you got? Nothing? That's what I thought.

I've been saying it's all fungible

Which is a positive claim you basically just pulled out of your ass to defend Trump's lie. And a claim made without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence.

[confused2]

The BBC reports that ---> Trump <--- did divert funds from fema in 2019 .. so it seems he is correct that funds have been diverted but he has 'misremembered' who was in charge at the time.

In 2019, while Trump was President, money was diverted from Fema's Disaster Relief Fund, external - around $38m - to give to Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE).

Fema, a US government agency, has a Disaster Relief Fund (worth more than $20bn for the last financial year) which is ring-fenced to spend on responding to hurricanes and other natural disasters.

Fema also has a dedicated budget from Congress to be spent on food, shelter, transportation, and other support services for immigrants released from Department of Homeland Security (DHS) custody.

This budget amounts to around one billion dollars over the last two financial years - not the “billions” Trump claims.

So, these are two separate pots of money - administered by the agency - which Trump appears to be conflating.

Fema, which has now set up a fact-checking page, external on its website, called Trump's claim "false" saying, "no money is being diverted from disaster response needs".

More: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/czd1q9q9gl9o

Fema rumour responses:
https://www.fema.gov/disaster/current/hu...r-response

[Syne]

Yet no one can seem to find the bill where Congress authorized funding specifically for SSP.

FEMA is currently ran by the Biden-Harris administration. There's every reason why they would want to lie.

Apparently, someone doesn't understand what fungible means. 9_9 Poor little mooncalf.

[Magical Realist]

Yet no one can seem to find the bill where Congress authorized funding specifically for SSP.

LOL It's right there on the SSP's website:

"The Shelter and Services Program (SSP) is funded through U.S. Customs and Border Protection (CBP), and administered by FEMA, as directed by Congress in the Consolidated Appropriations Act of 2023. SSP provides financial support to non-federal entities to provide sheltering and related activities to noncitizen migrants following their release from the Department of Homeland Security (DHS)."--- https://www.fema.gov/grants/shelter-services-program

[Syne]

Yet no one can seem to find the bill where Congress authorized funding specifically for SSP.

LOL It's right there on the SSP's website:

"The Shelter and Services Program (SSP) is funded through U.S. Customs and Border Protection (CBP), and administered by FEMA, as directed by Congress in the Consolidated Appropriations Act of 2023. SSP provides financial support to non-federal entities to provide sheltering and related activities to noncitizen migrants following their release from the Department of Homeland Security (DHS)."--- https://www.fema.gov/grants/shelter-services-program

The Consolidated Appropriations Act of 2023, huh?
https://www.congress.gov/bill/117th-cong.../2617/text

Funny how there is ZERO mention of the Shelter and Services Program.
See what happens when you actually look at the appropriations?

[Magical Realist]

Funny how there is ZERO mention of the Shelter and Services Program.
See what happens when you actually look at the appropriations?

lol The SSP is funded by US Customs and Border Control Agency which in turn is funded by the Dept of Homeland Security. So quit being an idiot and admit you were duped by Trump.

"DIVISION F--DEPARTMENT OF HOMELAND SECURITY APPROPRIATIONS ACT, 2023

Title I--Departmental Management, Intelligence, Situational Awareness,
and Oversight
Title II--Security, Enforcement, and Investigations
Title III--Protection, Preparedness, Response, and Recovery
Title IV--Research, Development, Training, and Services
Title V--General Provisions"

[Syne]

Just admit that there's ZERO mention of SSP, which means that there aren't separate funds specifically for that program, and what funds it does get are, indeed, fungible.
Whether you want to admit it or not, you've proven my point.

You tried your best to substantiate your claim, and you failed miserably. You're so lost you're quoting things that don't even mention SSP. Since I know you're not intellectually honest enough to admit that you're wrong, just lick your wounds and slink off to a corner somewhere.

Or do you really want to keep making a fool of yourself?

[Magical Realist]

LOL You're a complete idiot. It's like you don't even remember our previous posts. Don't waste my time anymore.

[Syne]

Don't whine because you finally tried to substantiate your claim and failed miserably.
Be a man, own it.