Gazan community - are the vast majority Hamas?

[Syne]

Making light of you being an apologist for evil won't change that fact.

[confused2]

I like to think I am impartial. If we accept that the vast majority of the Gazan community are Hamas then it might be a legitimate tactic of war to kill (say) 10,000 for every missile fired (or even act of aggression) .. maybe kill all of them .. it does start to sound very like Hitler's final solution. Offering Gaza as a 'New Palestine' is the closest I can see to a way out .. maybe you're in favour of extermination .. I can't tell from your posts so far.

[Syne]

You're not impartial. You're presuming all the antisemitic propaganda is true.
Nor did anyone ever say "the vast majority of the Gazan community are Hamas." I said the vast majority are "effectively" Hamas because they supported Hamas' attack on Oct 7th, voted Hama into power, Gazan civilians followed Hamas into Israel and cheered them on, taunted hostages being moved through Gaza, and even housed Hamas hostages in their own homes.

Just like the US response to Pearl Harbor, Israel has the right to permanently cripple any enemy's ability to attack them completely unprovoked. No one but propagandists have suggested that that Israel would attack civilians, no matter their support or complicity. But the propagandists have made a lot of unsupported hay of accusations of genocide, when it's Iran and it's proxies of Hamas, Hezbollah, Houthis, etc. that are actually seeking genocide.

Israel has tried every other option. Giving Gaza and the West Bank full autonomy and self-governance, occupation forces, buffer zones, giving land back to unprovoked invaders, repeatedly offering a two-state solution that has always been rejected by the Arabs, etc.. It is insane to demand that Israel continue to risk the safety of its own citizens , including its 20% Arabs, when every single olive branch has been rejected.

Everything Palestinians get is their own fault. They voted for and continue to support Hamas. They've harbored terrorists for decades.
You pretending that both sides are equally rational, peaceful, or at fault in the conflict is excusing murderous one-sided evil.

[stryder]

You're not impartial. You're presuming all the antisemitic propaganda is true.
Nor did anyone ever say "the vast majority of the Gazan community are Hamas." I said the vast majority are "effectively" Hamas because they supported Hamas' attack on Oct 7th, voted Hama into power, Gazan civilians followed Hamas into Israel and cheered them on, taunted hostages being moved through Gaza, and even housed Hamas hostages in their own homes.

Just like the US response to Pearl Harbor, Israel has the right to permanently cripple any enemy's ability to attack them completely unprovoked. No one but propagandists have suggested that that Israel would attack civilians, no matter their support or complicity. But the propagandists have made a lot of unsupported hay of accusations of genocide, when it's Iran and it's proxies of Hamas, Hezbollah, Houthis, etc. that are actually seeking genocide.

Israel has tried every other option. Giving Gaza and the West Bank full autonomy and self-governance, occupation forces, buffer zones, giving land back to unprovoked invaders, repeatedly offering a two-state solution that has always been rejected by the Arabs, etc.. It is insane to demand that Israel continue to risk the safety of its own citizens , including its 20% Arabs, when every single olive branch has been rejected.

Everything Palestinians get is their own fault. They voted for and continue to support Hamas. They've harbored terrorists for decades.
You pretending that both sides are equally rational, peaceful, or at fault in the conflict is excusing murderous one-sided evil.

Children are dead in Gaza, some of them too young to fight, vote, take sides or be terrorists. So there are indeed victims in Gaza.

[Syne]

Children are dead in Gaza, some of them too young to fight, vote, take sides or be terrorists.  So there are indeed victims in Gaza.

Who said otherwise? But it is Hamas and the Gazans who voted them into power and support attacking Israel unprovoked that are the cause of those deaths.

[confused2]

For present purposes .. you live in Texas.
Mexico decides they want Texas back .. they get all the paperwork done .. nothing illegal
Mexicans move (back) into Texas .. take your house and your land .. all perfectly legal.
Some Texans accept the new situation .. some don't ..
You think .. "We should have built a wall to keep them out.."
Exactly.
The Mexicans build a wall .. with you on the other side of it.

[Zinjanthropos]

For present purposes .. you live in Texas.
Mexico decides they want Texas back .. they get all the paperwork done .. nothing illegal
Mexicans move (back) into Texas .. take your house and your land .. all perfectly legal.
Some Texans accept the new situation .. some don't ..
You think .. "We should have built a wall to keep them out.."
Exactly.
The Mexicans build a wall .. with you on the other side of it.

Might be cheaper to pay the Mexicans to stay on their own side.

[confused2]

Might be cheaper to pay the Mexicans to stay on their own side.

Assume the Mexicans are what's are left after Hitler has tried to exterminate them .. do they want money or just a safe place to live?

[Syne]

The difference is that Mexico is an actual nation, while Palestine is not. There is also no "paperwork" that makes an invasion of a sovereign nation "nothing illegal."

But keep making moronic analogies that are not analogous. I guess it soothes your lack of intellect.

[confused2]

The difference is that Mexico is an actual nation, while Palestine is not. There is also no "paperwork" that makes an invasion of a sovereign nation "nothing illegal."

I honestly try to see what what point you are making .. you seem to be saying that the right lawyers could have saved a bunch of people a whole lot of suffering if they'd known they needed to register as as a nation? Register with the British Embassy ..?

What follows may be biased .. it's like Holocaust Denial .. you are free to have your own opinion but the facts remain the same..

In the 1948 Palestine war, more than 700,000 Palestinian Arabs – about half of Mandatory Palestine's predominantly Arab population – were expelled or fled from their homes, at first by Zionist paramilitaries,[a] and after the establishment of Israel, by its military.[b] The expulsion and flight was a central component of the fracturing, dispossession, and displacement of Palestinian society, known as the Nakba.[1] Dozens of massacres targeting Arabs were conducted by Israeli military forces and between 400 and 600 Palestinian villages were destroyed. Village wells were poisoned in a biological warfare programme codenamed Operation Cast Thy Bread and properties were looted to prevent Palestinian refugees from returning.[2][3]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1948_Pales...and_flight

The Palestinians in Gaza will have access to the same wikipedia pages as we have.