DIY: How to avoid Zionism (Doug Emhoff & Kamala Harris)

[Magical Realist]

You really don't know any history, do you?

If you mean the long tradition of two Middle Eastern people's squabbling and murdering each other over the same expanse of parched desert land, then no. I don't keep track of that. I have more important things to attend to in my own country.

It's not only the Israelis who have a problem with Palestinians. All neighboring Muslim/Arab countries have refused to take them in

Sounds like the same problem Jews have had for centuries. Do you see a peoples' being hated and deported by many countries as a justification for their genocide?

Israel needs complete rule of the entirety of "Palestine." That way they can ensure safety and security for those people,

Sounds like a pretext to deny the Palestinians their own right of self-determination. Isn't Zionism itself bent on the exclusive settlement of the Palestinian lands by Jews? The exclusion of those people from where they have been living for centuries based on nothing more than a literalist interpretation of a Hebrew fable?

There is no such thing as a historic "state of Palestine." There was only ever a geographical region of Palestine (akin to the US Midwest, etc.), never a nation, state, or unique people.

"As of June 2024, the State of Palestine is recognized as a sovereign state by 145 of the 193 member states of the United Nations, or just over 75% of all UN members. It has been a non-member observer state of the United Nations General Assembly since November 2012."

And Wikipedia says this:

"Palestine,[i] officially the State of Palestine,[ii][f] is a country[19] in the southern Levant region of West Asia, encompassing the Israeli-occupied West Bank and Gaza Strip, within the larger historic Palestine region. The country shares most of its borders with Israel, and borders Jordan to the east and Egypt to the southwest. It has a combined land area of 6,020 square kilometres (2,320 sq mi) while its population exceeds five million people. Its proclaimed capital is Jerusalem while Ramallah serves as its administrative center and Gaza City was its largest city until 2023.[3][4] Arabic is the official language. The majority of Palestinians practice Islam while Christianity also has a presence."---- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_of_Palestine

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[Syne]

You really don't know any history, do you?

If you mean the long tradition of two Middle Eastern people's squabbling and murdering each other over the same expanse of parched desert land, then no. I don't keep track of that. I have more important things to attend to in my own country.

Yep, you're a low-information voter.
Again, Israel has offered the land many times, and been repeatedly rejected. But you can't be bothered to learn any history (even when spoon fed by CC and myself), especially when it contradicts your leftists narrative.

It's not only the Israelis who have a problem with Palestinians. All neighboring Muslim/Arab countries have refused to take them in

Sounds like the same problem Jews have had for centuries. Do you see a peoples' being hated and deported by many countries as a justification for their genocide?

Except Jews did have centuries of occupation of Israel, and only anti-Semitic moron leftists think securing the safety of your own citizens is genocide. Israel is completely capable of wiping out every "Palestinian" at will, but hasn't. That's not what the genocidal do. The genocidal, who can't accomplish it, do what Palestinians have done for decades, waging terrorism and war.

Israel needs complete rule of the entirety of "Palestine." That way they can ensure safety and security for those people,

Sounds like a pretext to deny the Palestinians their own right of self-determination. Isn't Zionism itself bent on the exclusive settlement of the Palestinian lands by Jews?  The exclusion of those people from where they have been living for centuries based on nothing more than a literalist interpretation of a Hebrew fable?

There self-determinism has repeatedly proven to lead to them waging war and terrorism. Remember, they voted Hamas into power.
No, there has been not "Palestinian peoples" living there for centuries. And it has nothing to do with the Torah. Because of their violent history, it's about security for the Only Democracy in the Middle East.

There is no such thing as a historic "state of Palestine." There was only ever a geographical region of Palestine (akin to the US Midwest, etc.), never a nation, state, or unique people.

"As of June 2024, the State of Palestine is recognized as a sovereign state by 145 of the 193 member states of the United Nations, or just over 75% of all UN members. It has been a non-member observer state of the United Nations General Assembly since November 2012."

Antisemitic leftist member states.

That also says nothing about any historic occupation of an actual, unique Palestinian peoples. Because there never was one.

And Wikipedia says this:

"Palestine,[i] officially the State of Palestine,[ii][f] is a country[19] in the southern Levant region of West Asia, encompassing the Israeli-occupied West Bank and Gaza Strip, within the larger historic Palestine region. The country shares most of its borders with Israel, and borders Jordan to the east and Egypt to the southwest. It has a combined land area of 6,020 square kilometres (2,320 sq mi) while its population exceeds five million people. Its proclaimed capital is Jerusalem while Ramallah serves as its administrative center and Gaza City was its largest city until 2023.[3][4] Arabic is the official language. The majority of Palestinians practice Islam while Christianity also has a presence."---- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_of_Palestine

You're a moron if you don't know wiki is regularly edited by antisemitic leftists.

[Magical Realist]

You're a moron if you don't know wiki is regularly edited by antisemitic leftists.

Yeah.. the big leftist conspiracy again. We've heard it all before.

Here's the actual situation in the State of Palestine "on the ground" as reported by an objective politically-neutral source Amnesty International. Are they anti-semitic too now?

"Since the occupation first began in June 1967, Israel’s ruthless policies of land confiscation, illegal settlement and dispossession, coupled with rampant discrimination, have inflicted immense suffering on Palestinians, depriving them of their basic rights.

Israel’s military rule disrupts every aspect of daily life in the Occupied Palestinian Territories. It continues to affect whether, when and how Palestinians can travel to work or school, go abroad, visit their relatives, earn a living, attend a protest, access their farmland, or even access electricity or a clean water supply. It means daily humiliation, fear and oppression. People’s entire lives are effectively held hostage by Israel.

Israel has also adopted a complex web of military laws to crush dissent against its policies, and senior government officials have branded Israelis advocating for Palestinian rights as “traitors”.

The worst thing is the sense of being a stranger in your own land and feeling that not a single part of it is yours.

For the last 50 years, Israel has been forcing thousands of Palestinians off their land, occupying and illegally using it to create settlements that exclusively house Jewish Israeli settlers.

Entire Palestinian communities have been displaced by these settlements. Their homes and livelihoods have been destroyed, they’ve had restrictions enforced on their movement, access to their own water, land and other natural resources. The communities have also been violently attacked by the Israeli military and settlers. We must act now."---
https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/campai...ossession/

[Syne]

Again, for the umpteenth time... no conspiracy necessary. Just a lot of individual leftist internet trolls with nothing better to do with their lives than keep wiki pages reflecting their personal beliefs.

The UK branch of Amnesty International, a once reputable London-based global human rights group, has issued a 280-page report bashing Israel and even accusing the world’s one Jewish state of “apartheid.” The report, which Amnesty has already had to correct, is riddled with lies and misrepresentations. It tries to show that Israeli Arabs, who have full citizenship and alongside Jewish citizens serve as doctors, ambassadors, Supreme Court judges, and in the government coalition, are subject to what Amnesty thinks is “apartheid.” Israeli Arabs make up 20% of the Israeli population.
- https://www.ajc.org/news/amnestys-outrag...out-israel

The only discrimination going on is toward repeatedly proven terrorists. Apparently you're fine with terrorists killing innocent civilians, so long as you're being nice to the terrorists. Again, remember, Gazans elected Hamas to rule. That means that a plurality of Gazans support terrorists.

All of Gaza's problems are completely self-inflicted. If you support terrorists, you deserve what you get. But pansies like you would rather placate terrorists than look at the reality of literal violence toward the innocent.

You're such a low-information piece of shit.

[Magical Realist]

The article I quoted makes no mention of "apartheid", which seems to be the AJC's main objection here. They are clearly referring to another article, not the one I quoted:

https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/campai...apartheid/

The facts of the article that I quoted remain undisputed. And no...Amnesty International is not anti-semitic. Why the hell would they be? They fight anti-semitism all around the world.

[Syne]

If it's the views of Amnesty International (their own article) then it's a valid critique of the organization.

The fact that your article uses subjective language like "ruthless, illegal, rampant discrimination" without once stating the security needs of Israel is blatantly biased and anti-Semitic. AmInt was against the International Holocaust Remembrance Alliance proposed by the UN, because they wanted to continue to criticize Israel in just such a biased manner... and somehow avoid the obvious conclusion that they were antisemitic.

Amnesty International is among the most active NGOs that systematically promote demonization of Israel , BDS, and antisemitism – under the facade of universal human rights. In recent years, this bias and discrimination has been reflected in its “apartheid” campaign, extensive efforts to exclude antisemitism as a human rights concern, and undermining the implementation of the International Holocaust Remembrance Association (IHRA) definition to combat hatred of Jews.
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In multiple statements, Amnesty emphasizes “the root causes” of the conflict, in particular “Israel’s system of apartheid imposed on all Palestinians.” Amnesty does not identify “root causes” on the part of any other actor, including Palestinians and terror groups.
- https://www.ngo-monitor.org/reports/amne...a-on-gaza/

We have to wonder if you ever know anything about what you claim.

[Magical Realist]

"The bad news is that false accusations of anti-Semitism—usually linked to criticism of Israel or Israel’s supporters in the United States—are on the rise as well. And we need to be clear: It is not anti-Semitic to support Palestinian rights, demand a change in U.S. policy toward Israel, expose the kind of pressure that the pro-Israel lobby brings to bear on elected officials, or call out Israel’s violations of human rights and international law.­­ False accusations of anti-Semitism are used to undermine Palestinian rights, violate the First Amendment, and demonize social movements. They also serve as a powerful diversion from the urgent task of combating the real thing."---
https://www.yesmagazine.org/social-justi...ns-harmful

Strange is it not that the right who is always so critical of censoring free speech by the PC left should be doing precisely that with their kneejerk accusations of anti-semitism for anyone advocating for the human rights of the Palestinians?

[Syne]

That's just how anti-Semites try to hide nowadays. It is antisemitism when you berate Israel without ever giving any consideration for the violence they're endured for decades or their current security concerns. You just discount the murder of innocent people who appear white and are relatively more successful because of intersectionality.

It's the same leftist pattern of defending criminals and terrorists while criticizing the innocent and law-abiding.
You sound more and more like an anti-Semite yourself.

[Magical Realist]

That's just how anti-Semites try to hide nowadays. It is antisemitism when you berate Israel without ever giving any consideration for the violence they're endured for decades or their current security concerns.

Really? So because I have this innate irrational hatred of Jews is why I don't support their oppression and banishment of Palestinians from their own land? That makes no sense whatsoever and you know it. You're just trolling now. No amount of past bloodshed justifies the continued unquestioned dehumanizing treatment and segregation of millions of Palestinians in their own land. An eye for an eye leaves everybody blind.

Palestine refugees

Who are Palestine refugees?

Palestine refugees are defined as “persons whose normal place of residence was Palestine during the period 1 June 1946 to 15 May 1948, and who lost both home and means of livelihood as a result of the 1948 conflict.”

UNRWA services are available to all those living in its area of operations who meet this definition, who are registered with the Agency and who need assistance. The descendants of Palestine refugee males, including adopted children, are also eligible for registration. When the Agency began operations in 1950, it was responding to the needs of about 750,000 Palestine refugees. Today, some 5.9 million Palestine refugees are eligible for UNRWA services.

"Where do Palestine refugees live?

Nearly one-third of the registered Palestine refugees, more than 1.5 million individuals, live in 58 recognized Palestine refugee camps in Jordan, Lebanon, the Syrian Arab Republic, the Gaza Strip and the West Bank, including East Jerusalem.

A Palestine refugee camp is defined as a plot of land placed at the disposal of UNRWA by the host government to accommodate Palestine refugees and set up facilities to cater to their needs. Areas not designated as such and are not recognized as camps. However, UNRWA also maintains schools, health centres and distribution centres in areas outside the recognized camps where Palestine refugees are concentrated, such as Yarmouk, near Damascus.

The plots of land on which the recognized camps were set up are either state land or, in most cases, land leased by the host government from local landowners. This means that the refugees in camps do not 'own' the land on which their shelters were built, but have the right to 'use' the land for a residence.

Socioeconomic conditions in the camps are generally poor, with high population density, cramped living conditions and inadequate basic infrastructure such as roads and sewers."---- https://www.unrwa.org/palestine-refugees

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[Syne]

That's just how anti-Semites try to hide nowadays. It is antisemitism when you berate Israel without ever giving any consideration for the violence they're endured for decades or their current security concerns.

Really? So because I have this innate irrational hatred of Jews is why I don't support their oppression and banishment of Palestinians from their own land? That makes no sense whatsoever and you know it. You're just trolling now. No amount of past bloodshed justifies the continued unquestioned dehumanizing treatment and segregation of millions of Palestinians in their own land. An eye for an eye leaves everybody blind.

Yes, because you call it "oppression and banishment" without considering the actions of their own elected government that got them there. It's not "past bloodshed." It's a continual, decades-long threat to innocent civilians at the hands of terrorists who teach their early grade-schoolers to be terrorist martyrs.

Turning a blind eye to terrorism in order to criticize Israel is obviously anti-Semitic. It's so wildly imbalanced that it couldn't be anything else.