Did Gaga Goof?

[Syne]

Again, boys liking trucks and girls liking dolls happens from birth (even in monkeys) until they learn otherwise.

As it does with transgenders liking the toys appropriate for their experienced gender. There is no reason transgenders would override their innate brain preferences on their own just because they saw someone on TV like that. It's all ingrained from birth as all the studies show. Innate gender identity is common to both cis-gendered and transgendered children. It's the only explanation that fits the facts of the studies. Do you have any studies showing it's because transgender kids were conned into identifying with their opposite gender thru the MSM media and Hollywood pedophiles and the big evil leftist conspiracy? lol

Exactly as predicted, you're too thick to understand the simple difference between being born with (innate) and learned (nurtured).
All infants and toddlers show birth-sex preference for toys. Only later, as your study admits, they learn different preferences.

Nothing you've shown shows anything about it being innate "from birth." So either your reading comprehension sucks or you're just that dim.
And your usual "prove me wrong" crackpot nonsense ain't gonna fly. You're own study clearly says it's learned behavior. Deal.

[Magical Realist]

And your usual "prove me wrong" crackpot nonsense ain't gonna fly.

IOW you have no studies to support your crackpot conspiracy theory that transgender kids are deceived into believing they are their opposite gender by leftist propaganda. If this is such a strong factor in changing a child's gender identity, why doesn't it happen all the time? What keeps cis-gendered kids from buying into that brainwashing? See...your theory explains nothing and creates more problems than it solves. OTOH:

"Gender identity as a boy/man or girl/woman enables acquisition of gender-specific sexual motivation, attitudes, and behavior, a learning process that continues throughout adulthood. Gender identity itself, however, does not appear to be learned. Rather, the current view is that it is determined prenatally, likely by testosterone which masculinizes the brain long after and independently of its masculinizing the genitals (Bao and Swaab, 2011).--- https://www.sciencedirect.com/topics/soc...%2C%202011).

"The 2012 book Introduction to Behavioral Science in Medicine says that with exceptions, "Gender identity develops surprisingly rapidly in the early childhood years, and in the majority of instances appears to become at least partially irreversible by the age of 3 or 4".[12][13] The Endocrine Society has stated "Considerable scientific evidence has emerged demonstrating a durable biological element underlying gender identity. Individuals may make choices due to other factors in their lives, but there do not seem to be external forces that genuinely cause individuals to change gender identity."---- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gender_identity

There are several theories about how and when gender identity forms, and studying the subject is difficult because children's immature language acquisition requires researchers to make assumptions from indirect evidence.[16] John Money suggested children might have awareness of and attach some significance to gender as early as 18 months to 2 years; Lawrence Kohlberg argued that gender identity does not form until age 3.[16] It is widely agreed that core gender identity is firmly formed by age 3.[16][12][17] At this point, children can make firm statements about their gender[16][18] and tend to choose activities and toys which are considered appropriate for their gender[16] (such as dolls and painting for girls, and tools and rough-housing for boys),[19] although they do not yet fully understand the implications of gender.[18] After age three, it is extremely difficult to change gender identity."--- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gender_identity

[Syne]

And your usual "prove me wrong" crackpot nonsense ain't gonna fly.

IOW you have no studies to support your crackpot conspiracy theory that transgender kids are deceived into believing they are their opposite gender by leftist propaganda.

No, I have YOUR study that plainly says it's learned behavior. Try reading your own citations.

If this is such a strong factor in changing a child's gender identity, why doesn't it happen all the time? What keeps cis-gendered kids from buying into that brainwashing? See...your theory explains nothing and creates more problems than it solves.

It IS happening way more than ever in history, due to the influence of social media and leftist parents.
Good parents keep kids from getting so confused about something as basic as their sex. It's very simple...if your head isn't firmly ensconced in your rectum.

OTOH:

"Gender identity as a boy/man or girl/woman enables acquisition of gender-specific sexual motivation, attitudes, and behavior, a learning process that continues throughout adulthood. Gender identity itself, however, does not appear to be learned. Rather, the current view is that it is determined prenatally, likely by testosterone which masculinizes the brain long after and independently of its masculinizing the genitals (Bao and Swaab, 2011).--- https://www.sciencedirect.com/topics/soc...%2C%202011).

"The 2012 book Introduction to Behavioral Science in Medicine says that with exceptions, "Gender identity develops surprisingly rapidly in the early childhood years, and in the majority of instances appears to become at least partially irreversible by the age of 3 or 4".[12][13] The Endocrine Society has stated "Considerable scientific evidence has emerged demonstrating a durable biological element underlying gender identity. Individuals may make choices due to other factors in their lives, but there do not seem to be external forces that genuinely cause individuals to change gender identity."---- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gender_identity

There are several theories about how and when gender identity forms, and studying the subject is difficult because children's immature language acquisition requires researchers to make assumptions from indirect evidence.[16] John Money suggested children might have awareness of and attach some significance to gender as early as 18 months to 2 years; Lawrence Kohlberg argued that gender identity does not form until age 3.[16] It is widely agreed that core gender identity is firmly formed by age 3.[16][12][17] At this point, children can make firm statements about their gender[16][18] and tend to choose activities and toys which are considered appropriate for their gender[16] (such as dolls and painting for girls, and tools and rough-housing for boys),[19] although they do not yet fully understand the implications of gender.[18] After age three, it is extremely difficult to change gender identity."--- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gender_identity

Try reading more of your own citations:

Gender identity is the personal sense of one's own gender.
...
Although the formation of gender identity is not completely understood, many factors have been suggested as influencing its development. In particular, the extent to which it is determined by socialization (environmental factors) versus innate (biological) factors is an ongoing debate in psychology, known as "nature versus nurture". Both factors are thought to play a role. Biological factors that influence gender identity include pre- and post-natal hormone levels.[22] While genetic makeup also influences gender identity,[23] it does not inflexibly determine it.
- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gender_identity

The personal sense of one's own gender obviously develops over some amount of time, as does any self-awareness. That's the opposite of toy preferences that predate any vague signs of gender identity.

Honest people admit the above, that gender identity formation is not understood, there are factor that influence it, including socialization, and that genetics does not absolutely determine it. Everything else is conjecture, not science. But I know you cannot fathom the difference.

[Magical Realist]

It IS happening way more than ever in history, due to the influence of social media and leftist parents.

I've already listed the factors spurring an increase in youth coming out as trans in the past 5 years. And social influence is not one of them. That bogus and discounted theory is a pernicious rightwing attempt to blame transgenderism on the left and a transphobic effort to discourage the acceptance and destigmatization of transgenderism.

https://www.nbcnews.com/nbc-out/out-heal...-rcna41392

'Social contagion' isn’t causing more youths to be transgender, study finds

The study, published in Pediatrics, disputes the theory that more adolescents, particularly those assigned female at birth, are identifying as trans due to social influence.

“Social contagion” is not driving an increasing number of adolescents to come out as transgender, according to a new study published Wednesday in the journal Pediatrics.

The study also found that the proportion of adolescents who were assigned female at birth and have come out as transgender also has not increased, which contradicts claims that adolescents whose birth sex is female are more susceptible to this so-called external influence.

“The hypothesis that transgender and gender diverse youth assigned female at birth identify as transgender due to social contagion does not hold up to scrutiny and should not be used to argue against the provision of gender-affirming medical care for adolescents,” study senior author Dr. Alex S. Keuroghlian, director of the National LGBTQIA+ Health Education Center at the Fenway Institute and the Massachusetts General Hospital Psychiatry Gender Identity Program, said in a statement.

The “social contagion” theory can be traced back to a 2018 paper published in the journal PLOS One. Dr. Lisa Littman, who at the time was a professor of behavioral and social sciences at Brown University, coined the term “rapid onset gender dysphoria,” which she described as adolescents experiencing a conflict between their birth sex and gender identity “suddenly during or after puberty.” These adolescents, she wrote, “would not have met the criteria for gender dysphoria in childhood” and are experiencing dysphoria due to social influence.

Littman also hypothesized that adolescents assigned female at birth are more likely to be affected by social contagion and, as a result, are overrepresented in groups of adolescents experiencing gender dysphoria when compared to those who were assigned male at birth.

After intense debate and criticism, PLOS One conducted a post-publication reassessment of the article, and issued a correction that included changing the headline to clarify that Littman did not survey transgender or gender-diverse youth themselves, but actually surveyed their parents. The correction also noted that, “Rapid-onset gender dysphoria (ROGD) is not a formal mental health diagnosis at this time.”

To test the social contagion theory, researchers used data from the 2017 and 2019 biennial Youth Risk Behavior Survey conducted by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, which collected gender identity data across 16 states from ages 12 to 18. In 2017, 2.4%, or 2,161 of the 91,937 adolescents surveyed, identified as trans or gender diverse. In 2019, that percentage dropped slightly to 1.6%, or 1,640 of 105,437 adolescents surveyed.

Researchers concluded that the decrease in the overall percentage of adolescents identifying as trans or gender diverse “is incongruent with the (rapid-onset gender dysphoria hypothesis) that posits social contagion.”

The study also found that the number of transgender adolescents who were assigned male at birth outnumbered those assigned female at birth in both 2017 and 2019, providing additional evidence against a “notion of social contagion with unique susceptibility” among those assigned female at birth.

The social contagion hypothesis, by assuming that youth are coming out, for example, because their friends are, asserts that there’s some social desirability to being trans. Some supporters of the theory, according to the study, also believe that more youth identify as trans or gender diverse because those identities are less stigmatized than cisgender sexual minority identities, or those who identify with their birth sex and are lesbian, bisexual, gay or queer, among other sexual identities.

To evaluate these claims, researchers examined rates of bullying among adolescents who identified as trans and gender diverse, and those who did not.

They found that, consistent with other surveys, trans and gender-diverse youth were significantly more likely to be victims of school bullying (at 38.7% in 2017 and 45.4% in 2019) compared to cisgender lesbian, gay and bisexual youth (at 30.5% in 2017 and 28.7% in 2019) and cisgender, heterosexual youth (at 17.1% in 2017 and 16.6% in 2019).

“The idea that attempts to flee sexual minority stigma drive teenagers to come out as transgender is absurd, especially to those of us who provide treatment to [transgender and gender diverse] youth,” study lead author Dr. Jack Turban, incoming assistant professor of child and adolescent psychiatry at the University of California, San Francisco, said in a statement. “The damaging effects of these unfounded hypotheses in further stigmatizing transgender and gender diverse youth cannot be understated. We hope that clinicians, policymakers, journalists, and anyone else who contributes to health policy will review these findings.”

[Syne]

if you believe the "director of the National LGBTQIA+ Health Education Center at the Fenway Institute and the Massachusetts General Hospital Psychiatry Gender Identity Program doesn't have a financial or personal motive, you're deluded.

Notice how they have to specify "rapid-onset gender dysphoria" or "social contagion hypothesis" rather than just the prevalence.

Read my post again. I said social media and leftists parents, not or. You could also substitute leftist teachers grooming children without parent knowledge.

[Magical Realist]

Read my post again. I said social media and leftists parents, not or. You could also substitute leftist teachers grooming children without parent knowledge.

Oh...AND! That still doesn't make sense. Transgender youth only comprise about 5% of the population. I'm pretty sure the number of so-called leftist parents AND their kids using social media FAR exceeds a mere 5% of the population. Once again, your theory just doesn't fit the facts. If it did we'd see way more transgenders than we do. We don't. As cited from studies earlier, gender identity is pretty much set in stone by the age of 3 and extremely resistant to change.

https://www.nbcnews.com/nbc-out/out-news...-rcna32315

[Syne]

When you add the increase in trans kids with the explosion of gender/orientation identities, it's far more than that.

Like all such paraphilias, there's usually a trauma involved. So you take the percent of leftist ideologue parents and you find the intersection between that and parents/uncles/teachers/priests who like to diddle children. Or are you claiming the percentage of child molesters among leftists is far greater?

[Magical Realist]

When you add the increase in trans kids with the explosion of gender/orientation identities, it's far more than that.

That would certainly falsely inflate the percentage of transgender youth, Unfortunately for you we are only talking about transgenderism and not orientation. Your lies have been exposed.

Like all such paraphilias, there's usually a trauma involved. So you take the percent of leftist ideologue parents and you find the intersection between that and parents/uncles/teachers/priests who like to diddle children

LOL You just sort of make up this shit as you go along. So now we have children of leftist parents who are on social media AND were sexually abused. Where did you learn that sexual abuse results in transgenderism? Cite some studies. I'm not exactly confident you can come up with such a transphobic and ignorant study.

[Syne]

I'm not talking about inflating the transgender numbers. I'm talking about the explosion of child and youth paraphilias that include transgenderism. What lies? We still have more transgenders than ever before in history.

Sexual abuse just happens to be a significant factor in many paraphilia, even among cis heterosexuals.

Sure, hide behind overtly leftist academia, where no one would dare publish such studies for fear having their career ended by the mob labeling them "transphobic." The social sciences are rife with agenda, bias, and the replication crisis...as has been repeatedly documented on this forum.

[Magical Realist]

Sure, hide behind overtly leftist academia

It's empirical science dude, not politics. We still have peer reviewed journals and the required replication of results in order to weed out politically motivated junk science. But everything for you is just some big leftist conspiracy. Makes it so very easy to ignore any evidence that doesn't jibe with your rightwing belief system doesn't it?