Did Gaga Goof?

[Magical Realist]

As I said before, infants and toddler show innate preferences, with male preferring things, like trucks, and females preferring people, like dolls. This even occurs in monkeys[

That's what I said.

"We probably all learn very early that dolls are for girls and trucks are for boys. What is not learned is the desire to play with the toy that matches our gender identity. That is innate. And the study clearly establishes this to be true for transgender kids as well."

So obviously what is learned is to go against that natural preference.

LOL Where do 3-5 year olds raised by heterosexual parents get the idea they are the opposite of their assigned gender? And why on earth would they opt for that identity for the rest of their lives against all pressures not to.? Obviously it is brain-driven. A wealth of evidence-based studies reveal structural and dynamic differences unique to transgender brains, particularly in how parts of the brain interact with each other and the whole. Your vague environmental theory explains nothing.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4987404/

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/ar...1920301002

[Syne]

As I said before, infants and toddler show innate preferences, with male preferring things, like trucks, and females preferring people, like dolls. This even occurs in monkeys[

That's what I said.

  "We probably all learn very early that dolls are for girls and trucks are for boys. What is not learned is the desire to play with the toy that matches our gender identity. That is innate. And the study clearly establishes this to be true for transgender kids as well."

We don't learn those preferences, we (and monkeys) are born with them. Innate. How many times to I have to say the same thing before you comprehend?
What the study said we learn is the preferences of others, who transgenders adopt... only after learning about them. Not innate.

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Where do 3-5 year olds raised by heterosexual parents get the idea they are the opposite of their assigned gender?

Wait. Are you implying that only non-heterosexual parents could cause transgender children?

And why on earth would they opt for that identity for the rest of their lives against all pressures not to.?

Leftist ideologue parents, media (even cartoons nowadays), older opposite gender siblings they emulate and parents nurture, households with only members of the same sex as the trans identification, etc..

Obviously it is brain-driven. A wealth of evidence-based studies reveal structural and dynamic differences unique to transgender brains, particularly in how parts of the brain interact with each other and the whole. Your vague environmental theory explains nothing.

No, they don't. They simply show neuroplasticity and learned behavior from emulating the opposite gender.

Again, boys liking trucks and girls liking dolls happens from birth (even in monkeys) until they learn otherwise.
But at this point, I'll have to assume your far to thick to comprehend what has been repeatedly proven.

[Magical Realist]

Again, boys liking trucks and girls liking dolls happens from birth (even in monkeys) until they learn otherwise.

As it does with transgenders liking the toys appropriate for their experienced gender. There is no reason transgenders would override their innate brain preferences on their own just because they saw someone on TV like that. It's all ingrained from birth as all the studies show. Innate gender identity is common to both cis-gendered and transgendered children. It's the only explanation that fits the facts of the studies. Do you have any studies showing it's because transgender kids were conned into identifying with their opposite gender thru the MSM media and Hollywood pedophiles and the big evil leftist conspiracy? lol

[Zinjanthropos]

Blame the Brits for this one.

https://dailycitizen.focusonthefamily.co...crumbling/

Excerpt: Diamond has no problem admitting to her audience that the “born this way” assertion was not constructed out of scientific fact, but political expediency. The purpose of her talk is to convince us that this myth should be finally relegated to the graveyard because it “is not scientifically accurate” and is “actually unjust.” It is past “time to retire that argument for LGBT equality” because it has served its political usefulness.

Any truth to above?

[confused2]

Where same sex marriage is permitted there's not much left for homosexuals to want apart from street parties and (UK) not being 'gay bashed'. 'Trans' is a different matter - there are legal and social implications of changing from birth sex. For reasons that aren't entirely clear (to me) people who are perfectly happy with the way they were born have got caught up in campaigning on behalf of people who aren't content with their birth assigned sex to the extent that you can't tell one from t'other - hence strange and unlikely results seen in a muddy pond.

If your sole or main reason for changing sex is to have the opportunity to compete in (say) women's sports and it is made absolutely clear that that isn't going to happen .. then maybe consider not changing sex.

[Magical Realist]

It is past “time to retire that argument for LGBT equality” because it has served its political usefulness.

I don't see anything "politically useful" about thinking transgenderism is as innate and brain-based as any other gender based identity. If anything it takes the moral judgment out of it since it's obviously not something people just arbitrarily decide to be one day. It's part and parcel to who they are and is therefore best affirmed or "chosen" on that basis alone.

[Zinjanthropos]

It is past “time to retire that argument for LGBT equality” because it has served its political usefulness.

I don't see anything "politically useful" about thinking transgenderism is as innate and brain-based as any other gender based identity. If anything it takes the moral judgment out of it since it's obviously not something people just arbitrarily decide to be one day. It's part and parcel to who they are and is therefore best affirmed or "chosen" on that basis alone.

With respect to innateness…..Is there a distinction between a person being born a future trans and a criminal? Can we say the bad guys are born that way? I think there may be an equal ratio of studies pro and con about the innate criminality as there are for transgenderism. On that basis I think going trans is a decision one has to make.

[Magical Realist]

I think there may be an equal ratio of studies pro and con about the innate criminality as there are for transgenderism

There is data supporting it. See link below. Just as there is data supporting the brain basis of mental illness. So what? We are all how our brains' function. How could it be otherwise?

https://www.med.wisc.edu/news/psychopath...%20anxiety.

[Zinjanthropos]

I think there may be an equal ratio of studies pro and con about the innate criminality as there are for transgenderism

There is data supporting it. See link below. Just as there is data supporting the brain basis of mental illness. So what? We are all how our brains' function. How could it be otherwise?

https://www.med.wisc.edu/news/psychopath...%20anxiety.

You know what they say MR…. If it’s deterministic it doesn’t consider free will and whatever religion and morals add to the mix. No free will if you’re born this way and to hell what anybody else thinks, it can’t be helped. Another argument re determinism vs free will I guess. Lot of that going on.

[Magical Realist]

IMO the apparent conflict between freewill and determinism arises only when we are trying to be something we aren't by nature. In the case of psychopaths and the mentally ill such is usually implemented thru therapy and medications (reverse determinism) In the case of transgender people it shouldn't really matter at all if they accept the way they are. Just as gays and lesbians are encouraged to accept their innate sexual orientation to be happy, so would that be the case with transgenders' gender identity. The proof for this is the resulting quality of life and confidence of transgenders who accept their gender identity vice those who are forced to deny it and to lurk miserably "in the closet" as their assigned gender for the rest of their lives.