UFO/UAP Thread

[Kornee]

Regarding the first Washington Examiner article linked to in #20, this passage's ending is worthy of comment:

“Exploring the unknown in space and the atmosphere is at the heart of who we are at NASA,” Thomas Zurbuchen, associate administrator of the Science Mission Directorate at NASA Headquarters in the nation’s capital, said this weekend. “Understanding the data we have surrounding unidentified aerial phenomena is critical to helping us draw scientific conclusions about what is happening in our skies. Data is the language of scientists and makes the unexplainable, explainable.”

Not always. In NASA's case, as for the earlier official investigations, having eliminated the mundanes, they will simply hit a brick wall.

As for the second article, it's amusing that it begins with:
"UFOs exist that appear to display technology the United States does not possess and lacks the ability to defend against, according to a former intelligence chief."

The premise that what is being and has for many decades been observed is some kind of "advanced technology" simultaneously excludes the supernatural and preps for even more 'defense' expenditure.
Supposedly to counter the potential 'leap-frogging technological advances' made by obviously Russia and/or China.

As always, conveniently ignoring how far back the 'leap-frogging technology' demonstrated by UFO incursions has been going on for. The last resort along those lines is to imply 'Soviet stolen Nazi bells technology'. Sigh.

[Kornee]

Travis Taylor candidly admits the baffling mix of studied UFO characteristics 'don't make any sense' - from the pov of being material objects:
https://www.8newsnow.com/investigators/i...ays-fuzzy/

[Zinjanthropos]

UFO sightings are both frustrating, humbling and frightening to some extent. Frustrating because we can’t figure out what all of them are and humbling to think there are technologically advanced civilizations out there. Sort of plays into the frustration aspect because we want so much to have friendly contact and learn their secrets but it’s just out of reach.

Judging by military response to sightings, they probably react out of fear and not curiosity. I really don’t think anything earthly has the flying capabilities witnessed, so is that enough to put us on guard? Is ET our first thought or do we think foreign power? IMO…General populace seems to think friend and military leans towards foe.

Maybe we just need a higher power, a magic life preserver when things become near apocalyptic. Come and rescue us from ourselves, nice to have you watching us making sure we don’t cross the line. Belief that someone actually cares for us. Next best thing to a deity I figure. If ufos can defy laws of physics then shouldn’t be any problem for gods.

[Kornee]

UFO sightings are both frustrating, humbling and frightening to some extent. Frustrating because we can’t figure out what all of them are and humbling to think there are technologically advanced civilizations out there. Sort of plays into the frustration aspect because we want so much to have friendly contact and learn their secrets but it’s just out of reach.

Judging by military response to sightings, they probably react out of fear and not curiosity. I really don’t think anything earthly has the flying capabilities witnessed, so is that enough to put us on guard? Is ET our first thought or do we think foreign power? IMO…General populace seems to think friend and military leans towards foe.

Maybe we just need a higher power, a magic life preserver when things become near apocalyptic. Come and rescue us from ourselves, nice to have you watching us making sure we don’t cross the line. Belief that someone actually cares for us. Next best thing to a deity I figure. If ufos can defy laws of physics then shouldn’t be any problem for gods.

The entire thrust of my years long consistent tack is to point out that material ET beings that somehow 'evolved' on some distant planet, to advanced space-faring tech levels, and by whatever means made their presence felt here on Earth via that advanced tech, is a hypothesis severely wanting.

The totality of evidence imo strongly supports the supernatural, not ET, as true explanation. Naturally we are only considering the ~ 30% (NOT the absurdly claimed by some ~ 0.01%) of genuinely unexplained non-hoax UFO reports.

[Yazata]

Judging by military response to sightings, they probably react out of fear and not curiosity. I really don’t think anything earthly has the flying capabilities witnessed, so is that enough to put us on guard? Is ET our first thought or do we think foreign power? IMO…General populace seems to think friend and military leans towards foe.

The military probably has to think in terms of (possible, potential) foe. Because if they do turn out to be a threat, the military are the people that everyone will turn to for an answer. So they feel that they will need to have a plan, even if it's just-in-case.

[Zinjanthropos]

The entire thrust of my years long consistent tack is to point out that material ET beings that somehow 'evolved' on some distant planet, to advanced space-faring tech levels, and by whatever means made their presence felt here on Earth via that advanced tech, is a hypothesis severely wanting.

The totality of evidence imo strongly supports the supernatural, not ET, as true explanation. Naturally we are only considering the ~ 30% (NOT the absurdly claimed by some ~ 0.01%) of genuinely unexplained non-hoax UFO reports.

Not sure what you mean by supernatural. If it happens in this universe then it’s natural as far as I’m concerned. Do you mean rare occurrences?

Don’t think it’s that unusual for people who spend a lot of time in the air like pilots to experience UAP. For simple ground dweller like myself it’s just luck to spot something unusual.

[Kornee]

The entire thrust of my years long consistent tack is to point out that material ET beings that somehow 'evolved' on some distant planet, to advanced space-faring tech levels, and by whatever means made their presence felt here on Earth via that advanced tech, is a hypothesis severely wanting.

The totality of evidence imo strongly supports the supernatural, not ET, as true explanation. Naturally we are only considering the ~ 30% (NOT the absurdly claimed by some ~ 0.01%) of genuinely unexplained non-hoax UFO reports.

Not sure what you mean by supernatural. If it happens in this universe then it’s natural as far as I’m concerned. Do you mean rare occurrences?

Don’t think it’s that unusual for people who spend a lot of time in the air like pilots to experience UAP. For simple ground dweller like myself it’s just luck to spot something unusual.

I mean in as traditionally understood. Actions upon and within our world/universe that defy ordinary physical laws, owing to intelligent agencies natively existing in some other realm.
Two such being poltergeist prankery, and nonmundane UFO incursions. Often the two are intertwined. Various examples given before, e.g.:
https://www.thinkanomalous.com/drx-ufo.html (your AV may flag the site as 'potentially harmful' but it's not)
https://youtu.be/BVH9wu28yEQ
More details:
https://www.aime-michel.fr/the-strange-case-of-dr-x/
https://www.aime-michel.fr/the-strange-c...-x-part-2/

That one imo neatly illustrates the overlap between notionally separate phenomena.
Up to each individual how or whether to treat such material seriously.

[Ostronomos]

For an alien being who has mastered interstellar travel a peaceful approach to assimilation would be the best strategy.

[Yazata]

Captured in the sky in the background by one of Lab's cams at Starbase looking the Starship ship quick disconnect (SQD)

I assume that they are meteors, but don't actually know that, so they are technically unidentified.

The peculiar thing is that one is seen to streak from right to left under the SQD, then a number of them fall from upper left to lower right.

https://twitter.com/LabPadre/status/1586191705622994945

[Kornee]

Pentagon task force: UAP unknowns up from ~ 140 last year to around 400 now, with a few downgraded to mundane knowns:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/ano...55f70ffae7