Russian Ukraine Invasion

Yazata Offline
We have all seen the photos of Russian tanks that have run out of gas and have been abandoned. Well, fret not Ukrainians! The Ukrainian government says that they can be salvaged tax free!. The justification is that they weren't obtained as the result of a transaction but rather as the result of Russian aggression, so they are 'spoils of war'.

"Have you captured a Russian tank or armoured personnel carrier and are worried about how to declare it? Keep calm and continue to defend the Motherland! There is no need to declare the captured Russian tanks and other equipment."
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Secular Sanity Offline
(Mar 11, 2022 02:34 AM)Kornee Wrote: In my opinion there aren't any basic flaws to point out. Nicely put together. It's true that Russian military strategy and tactics has been shown up as poor. Which unfortunately enhances the pressure on Putin & Co to consider the nuke option. 'We' created the pressures leading to that awful prospect.

What would the negations look like?
Instead of making a showy stance of solidarity, shouldn’t we be beefing it up to a full-blown war strategy before we hammer this out?

Shouldn’t we be focusing on Russia’s military capabilities, perhaps, Kaliningrad?

There were reports of Russian tankers carrying liquefied natural gas (LNG) to that area, which might indicate that they plan to use the threat of cutting off the pipeline to counter the sanctions.

This study seeks to present the reader with an up-to-date assessment of the Russian force posture and structure in the Western MD.

We promised eventual membership to Ukraine and Georgia if they resolved territorial disputes forcing Russia to stoke unrest. We’re not going to let them into NATO. He’s pushing back on NATO encroachment, wants Crimea, and a pro-Russian government in Ukraine. We’re in a position now where we need to think about long-term security issues.

What do we want?

Sweden and Finland?

How about Kaliningrad?

Georgia and Ukraine stay neutral. He keeps Crimea, we take Sweden, Finland and Kaliningrad?
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stryder Offline
:/

India Misfires rocket at Pakistan.
North Korea does yet more rocket tests admit US adding response sanctions.
Trumps Social media has had no mention of being banned or made unavailable in Russia (So if you want to get passed Russian censors, you know how now.)
The Dragon sleeps...
And of course "Debt to Putin!".

I'm really starting to wonder if there is a larger "Invisible Hands" conspiracy attempting to shape the world to conflict and break the threshold that catalyses WWIII.
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Zinjanthropos Offline
(Mar 11, 2022 06:09 PM)stryder Wrote: I'm really starting to wonder if there is a larger "Invisible Hands" conspiracy attempting to shape the world to conflict and break the threshold that catalyses WWIII.

I think when govts try to legislate niceness as appears happening in the west, the stark reality that there are people elsewhere in this world who are willing and apt to blow your head off can be a shocking sobering reality eye opener. If you’re one of those belligerents then why not test the waters and see how the social decrees are working out and if you may have an advantage because of it.
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Magical Realist Offline
"A Russian embassy has sparked outrage by accusing a Ukrainian beauty influencer of being a crisis actor at the devastating maternity hospital blast that killed three people, including a young girl.

The Kremlin’s embassy in London first stamped a giant “FAKE” over tweeted photos of Wednesday’s atrocity in Mariupol, insisting the hospital only housed neo-Nazi radicals.

When commentators pointed to photos of a heavily pregnant woman fleeing with blood dripping from her face, the embassy claimed it was just “some very realistic make-up,” the Times of London said.

“It’s the indeed pregnant [Ukraine] beauty blogger Marianna Podgurskaya,” the embassy claimed.

“She actually played roles of both pregnant women in the photos.”

The only attempt at proof was a claim that the images were taken by a “famous propagandist photographer” — naming an award-winning war photographer covering the invasion for the Associated Press.

Ukrainian emergency employees and volunteers carry an injured pregnant woman from the damaged by shelling maternity hospital in Mariupol, Ukraine, Wednesday, March 9, 2022.
Ukrainian emergency employees and volunteers carry an injured pregnant woman from the destroyed maternity hospital in Mariupol, Ukraine, on March 9, 2022.

Before the hospital attack, the same journalist had captured harrowing images of bodies being buried in a mass grave in the city that the Red Cross said now looks “apocalyptic.”

While Podgurskaya has yet to be confirmed as the bloodied woman in the hospital images, she is based in Mariupol and a week ago posted an Instagram image of her heavily pregnant belly.

Still, the embassy insisted that “she could not be in the maternity house at the time of the strike, as it has long been taken by the neo-Nazi Azov Battalion who told all the staff to clear the place.”

Twitter eventually removed the posts after outrage from the highest corners of Britain’s government, the UK Times said.

“This is fake news,” tweeted UK Culture Secretary Nadine Dorries, while a spokesman for Prime Minister Boris Johnson told the Guardian, “It is clear that this is further disinformation.”

“You have seen the pictures of the people who were wounded during that attack, and you have seen what the prime minister said in his tweet,” the spokesman said, referring to Johnson having said that “there are few things more depraved than targeting the vulnerable and defenseless.”

While the embassy’s tweets were removed, its page still shared a retweeted video by the Russian Mission in Geneva also insisting the harrowing hospital attack was “fake news.”

Russia used its embassy's social media accounts to spread disinformation about the Ukraine war.
Russia used its UK embassy’s Twitter account to spread disinformation about the Ukraine war.
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Ukrainian officials have confirmed that a young girl was among three people who died in the attack that also injured 17 others.

Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky called the attack an “atrocity” and “genocide,” saying it targeted “children, women, medical workers.”

US Vice President Kamala Harris could not hide her disgust Thursday as she condemned Russia’s “atrocities of unimaginable proportion,” saying there “absolutely” should be a war crimes investigation."

https://nypost.com/2022/03/10/russian-em...-hospital/
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Kornee Offline
(Mar 11, 2022 05:11 PM)Secular Sanity Wrote:
(Mar 11, 2022 02:34 AM)Kornee Wrote: In my opinion there aren't any basic flaws to point out. Nicely put together. It's true that Russian military strategy and tactics has been shown up as poor. Which unfortunately enhances the pressure on Putin & Co to consider the nuke option. 'We' created the pressures leading to that awful prospect.

What would the negations look like?
Instead of making a showy stance of solidarity, shouldn’t we be beefing it up to a full-blown war strategy before we hammer this out?

Shouldn’t we be focusing on Russia’s military capabilities, perhaps, Kaliningrad?

There were reports of Russian tankers carrying liquefied natural gas (LNG) to that area, which might indicate that they plan to use the threat of cutting off the pipeline to counter the sanctions.

This study seeks to present the reader with an up-to-date assessment of the Russian force posture and structure in the Western MD.

We promised eventual membership to Ukraine and Georgia if they resolved territorial disputes forcing Russia to stoke unrest. We’re not going to let them into NATO. He’s pushing back on NATO encroachment, wants Crimea, and a pro-Russian government in Ukraine. We’re in a position now where we need to think about long-term security issues.

What do we want?

Sweden and Finland?

How about Kaliningrad?

Georgia and Ukraine stay neutral. He keeps Crimea, we take Sweden, Finland and Kaliningrad?
Ah yes. Moves continue to be thought through and sometimes enacted - on The Grand Chessboard. Too bad for the expendable pawns who are shuffled around and disposed of, at whim of the comfortably seated game players.
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Yazata Offline
Day 16 summary (Russian officers were briefed that capturing Ukraine was expected to be a two week campaign.)

https://militaryland.net/ukraine/invasio...6-summary/

Russians continue to build up near Kyiv but didn't advance today. The Ukrainians are using the time to strengthen their own defenses and evacuate civilians (mostly women and children). (The city of 3 million is down to about 1.5 million now. Most of the men have remained, many have been issued arms and all are busy preparing shelters and fortifications. I hope that the city is bristling with anti-tank rockets.

Chernihiv northeast of Kyiv has been holding off perhaps the major Russian thrust on the capital since day 1, but is in danger of being surrounded. There hasn't been any sign of these forces pulling back and surrendering the small city, so they may go down fighting.

Sumy is under continuing attack and there are reports of street fighting, but it's still holding out.

Kharkiv (Ukraine's second largest city) is still being bombarded and the Russians are in the industrial outskirts but haven't pushed into the center. (They got their asses kicked when they tried the first time.)

To the east, most of Luhansk Oblast (province) is in Russian hands with only a few Ukrainian held towns continuing to resist. Russian forces there have almost linked up with forces advancing east of Kharkiv. There's been surprisingly little Russian activity in neighboring Donetsk Oblast, where much of the Ukrainian army was prior to the war to combat the Separatists. Most of the Russians in that area are busy trying to take the port of Mariupol. Russians have it surrounded and have entered the outskirts, but the Ukrainians are still resisting in the center. The Russians continue to shell it mercilessly.

In the south, the big event has been the resumption of the Russian attack on Mykolaiv. Both sides have been bringing in reinforcements and this evening the Russians laid down a big artillery barrage, and tried to push into the city. Reportedly the Ukrainians repelled the first thrust but the Russians aren't finished. Other than Mykolaiv, there's been little Russian advance in the south today. All the activity is around Mykolaiv and Mariupol.

And there have been increased air strikes on western Ukrainian cities from Kyiv to the Polish border. Military facilities, bridges, fuel depots and targets like that have been hit.

The two weeks the Russian high command expected the war to take are past, and most of Ukraine's land area and cities are still held by the Ukrainians. The war seems to be changing its nature from what was first imagined as a fast mechanized blitzkrieg that would take over cities largely unopposed, to an increasingly bloody conventional ground war that will take a lot longer than anticipated and result in thousands of dead soldiers.
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C C Offline
(Mar 11, 2022 10:19 PM)Magical Realist Wrote: "A Russian embassy has sparked outrage by accusing a Ukrainian beauty influencer of being a crisis actor at the devastating maternity hospital blast that killed three people, including a young girl.

The Kremlin’s embassy in London first stamped a giant “FAKE” over tweeted photos of Wednesday’s atrocity in Mariupol, insisting the hospital only housed neo-Nazi radicals. [...]
https://nypost.com/2022/03/10/russian-em...-hospital/

Similar disinformation tactics during the Syrian bombings of medical facilities: Putin TV: Aleppo Slaughter Is Fake News.

Russian–Syrian hospital bombing campaign
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian%E2...s_in_Syria

excerpt: After Russia began military operations in Syria, aerial bombardment intensified. In 2015, there were more than 300 attacks on medical facilities by Syrian and Russian forces. From May to December 2016, medical facilities were attacked about 200 times by Russian and Syrian forces.

Hospitals in Aleppo were attacked multiple times. Before March 2016, more than six hospitals were attacked in the Aleppo Governorate. In April 2016, over two dozen were killed when a Russian airstrike hit a hospital; the hospital served as the area's primary pediatric care facility. In July 2016, M2 Hospital was attacked by aircraft.  By the end of the month, six hospitals in Aleppo had been destroyed. In October 2016, M10 Hospital was attacked by airstrikes.

Hospital attacks were not limited to Aleppo...


(below) Right, right, sure sure. "War crime tribunals" gesticulations were so effective... 

The UN Director for Human Rights Watch, Louis Charbonneau, warned: “If Russia thinks this will help them escape accountability for war crimes, they’re dead wrong. We and other groups will continue to investigate and document the deliberate bombings of hospitals and other grave crimes in Syria.”
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian%E2...l_reaction
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Magical Realist Offline
Right out of their playbook. Thankfully western news media keeps us informed regarding the real events of the war with on site video and reports.
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Secular Sanity Offline
(Mar 12, 2022 03:21 AM)Magical Realist Wrote: Right out of their playbook. Thankfully western news media keeps us informed regarding the real events of the war with on site video and reports.

It's messed up, but we did the same thing in Afghanistan.
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