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This is about Adam Smith's "On Moral Sentiment"..I agree with it totally. When I dislike someone, I like to picture them sleeping alone in the fetal position in bed at night. Empathy, not laws or "God's will", is the root of all morality.

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While Adam Smith viewed the "mutual sympathy of sentiments" as the foundation of social harmony, modern philosophers, psychologists, and sociologists identify several unintended negative consequences of this psychological drive.
1. Enforced Social Conformity

Echo Chambers: The intense desire for emotional alignment causes individuals to cluster exclusively with like-minded people.
Suppression of Dissent: People actively hide minority opinions or unique insights to avoid the psychological discomfort of emotional discord.
Loss of Individuality: Group identities override personal values as individuals alter their genuine feelings to match the crowd.

2. Amplification of Mob Mentality

Rapid Emotional Contagion: Collective outrage, panic, or hysteria spreads instantly because humans are wired to mirror surrounding emotions.
Validation of Cruelty: If an entire group shares hatred toward an outsider, the "mutual sympathy" within the group legitimizes and escalates harmful behavior.
Tribalism: Deep alignment inside a group inherently creates sharp hostility toward outside groups who do not share the same sentiments.

3. Moral Blind Spots and Superficiality

In-Group Bias: Empathy is naturally directed toward those who are similar, leading to systemic neglect of marginalized or foreign populations.
Performance Over Substance: People prioritize appearing sympathetic over taking effective, logical action to solve problems.
The "Impartial Spectator" Flaw: If an entire society holds a systemic prejudice (like historical slavery), the internal standard of morality becomes deeply corrupted.

4. Psychological Toll on the Individual

Emotional Exhaustion: Constantly toning down intense grief or toning up mild joy to match social expectations causes severe cognitive fatigue.
Inauthenticity: Chronic people-pleasing suppresses true self-expression, frequently leading to identity crises and anxiety.
- Gemini

So this results in echo chambers, censorship, identity politics, mob mentality, validation of violence, tribalism, bias, virtue-signalling, and the anxiety of stepping out of the in-group standards/narrative.

Perfect reflection of today's amoral left.

LOL The Father of American Capitalism an amoral lefist!

How appropriate for a spineless sociopath who has no ability to empathize and lets a mindless LLM speak for him! It's not even AI. Just a cherry-picking search engine that will find exactly what your carefully worded question is aiming for. A feeble attempt at argumentum ad populum at best. Complete drivel at worst.

The title "father of capitalism" is only partially well-earned. While Adam Smith provided the foundational economic logic used to build modern capitalist frameworks, historical and modern scholars agree that his actual beliefs significantly differ from how the term is used today.
Why the Title is Well-Earned

Systematized Free Market Theory: Before Smith, European economies were dominated by mercantilism—a system of heavy state control, tariffs, and monopolies. In The Wealth of Nations, Smith provided the first comprehensive blueprint showing how a decentralized market driven by supply, demand, and competition could naturally organize society without state micromanagement.
The Blueprint for Capitalist Growth: He accurately identified the core mechanisms of economic expansion, specifically the division of labor to increase productivity and the reinvestment of profits (capital accumulation) to spur innovation.
Intellectual Legacy: His concepts of the invisible hand and self-interest became the core philosophical justification for free-market economies globally. Decades of economists, from the classical era to the 20th-century Chicago School, used his work as their starting foundation.

Why the Title is Misleading

He Never Used the Word "Capitalism": The term did not exist in his time; it was popularized much later by critics like Karl Marx. Smith referred to his ideal system as a "system of natural liberty" or a "commercial society".
He Was a Moral Philosopher, Not an Economist: Smith was a professor of moral philosophy. His first major book, The Theory of Moral Sentiments, argued that human society relies on sympathy and justice. He believed economic self-interest could only function constructively if it was bounded by strong moral and legal frameworks.
He Fiercely Criticized Capitalists: Smith was deeply suspicious of business owners and monopolies. He famously warned that when people of the same trade meet, the conversation quickly turns into a "conspiracy against the public" to raise prices.
He Favored State Intervention: Unlike modern "laissez-faire" purists, Smith explicitly advocated for government intervention to provide public goods, infrastructure, national defense, and public education (which he believed was necessary to counter the mentally numbing effects of the division of labor).

Ultimately, Smith is better described as the "father of free-market analysis" or the "father of political economy". He did not invent the corporate capitalism we see today, and scholars like those interviewed by The Nation note that his historical legacy has been heavily sanitized and adapted to fit modern political ideologies.
- Gemini

Yes, LLM searches are a quick way to play devil's advocate, especially with my own understanding. Adam Smith is touted as the "father of capitalism," but based on his moral philosophy, it was clear (to me anyway) that those couldn't be completely compatible. Unlike you, I don't just accept everything I'm spoon-fed. It's telling when you whine about LLMs but can't manage to refute any of their information. Sadly, reality is on my side.

And it's hypocritical for you to talk about empathy, as you clearly have none beyond your own in-group, while I have extended an empathetic olive branch on several occasions.

And again, you've proven you're a liar and have no self-control, since you claimed to be ignoring me. You've attacked me personally first, in this thread, without any provocation. And it's clear why. You know you're unable to refute what I've posted. Cue tantrum hissy fit.

Quote:Adam Smith is touted as the "father of capitalism," but based on his moral philosophy, it was clear (to me anyway) that those couldn't be completely compatible.

Yes..that's because he's the Father of American Capitalism as I just said. The very fact that the same mind advanced both capitalism and empathy together proves they mesh together. There's nothing incompatible about empathy as the foundation of all morality with our American culture, particularly as it is Jesus Christ's core teaching. Capitalism meshes with empathy because they both assume the absolute value of the individual human, with their own rights and freedom and equally legitimate pursuit of happiness. Capitalism wouldn't work at all without this intuitive understanding of human interdependency and mutual respect and their common welfare under one economy.

Quote:And again, you've proven you're a liar and have no self-control, since you claimed to be ignoring me.

I WAS ignoring you dumbass. Hence no lying at all. Then I stopped when you blathered something insufferably stupid and sociopathic like empathy being a disastrous basis for morality that is only typical of leftism. I choose when to ignore and when to respond and always will. Deal with it.

(May 9, 2026 04:25 AM)Magical Realist Wrote:

Quote:Adam Smith is touted as the "father of capitalism," but based on his moral philosophy, it was clear (to me anyway) that those couldn't be completely compatible.

Yes..that's because he's the Father of American Capitalism as I just said.

You're obviously trying to weasel out of your ignorance by playing word games.

To be precise, Adam Smith is widely touted as the general "father of capitalism" or "father of modern economics" globally.
If a historical figure is explicitly called the "father of American capitalism," it is almost always Alexander Hamilton.
The distinction breaks down as follows:

The Intellectual Father (Adam Smith): As a Scottish philosopher, he provided the foundational theories of the free market, self-interest, and the "invisible hand" in his 1776 book The Wealth of Nations. American capitalism relies heavily on his concepts.
The American Father (Alexander Hamilton): As the first U.S. Secretary of the Treasury, Hamilton is credited as the architect of the actual American capitalist system. He established the young nation's national bank, public credit system, and industrial strategy.

While casual modern writers sometimes blend the titles and call Smith the "father of American capitalism" because his ideas shaped the country, historians reserve that specific American title for Hamilton.
- Gemini

Quote:And there's nothing incompatible about empathy as the foundation of all morality, particularly as it is Jesus Christ's core teaching.

Modern empathy is not the agape that Jesus taught.

The primary difference between modern empathy and the agape love taught by Jesus lies in their source, purpose, and relationship to truth. Modern empathy is largely emotional, centering on feeling another person's feelings ("I feel your pain") and validating them, often regardless of whether they are rooted in truth or goodness. Agape love, as taught by Jesus, is a willful, sacrificial action that seeks another's highest good (specifically their spiritual well-being) in accordance with God's truth, often described as "loving in action".
- Gemini

Quote:Capitalism meshes with empathy because they both assume the absolute value of the individual human, with their own rights and freedom and legitimate pursuit of happiness. Capitalism wouldn't work at all without this intuitive understanding of human interdependency and mutual respect and their common welfare under one economy.

No one said empathy was completely incompatible with capitalism, as many moral and economic systems are compatible. I said "his moral philosophy... couldn't be completely compatible" with capitalism as we know it. He was against large companies, extreme income inequality, and companies lobbying to influence the government.

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Quote:And again, you've proven you're a liar and have no self-control, since you claimed to be ignoring me.

I WAS ignoring you dumbass. Hence no lying at all. Then I stopped when you blathered something insufferably stupid and sociopathic like empathy being a disastrous basis for morality that is only typical of leftism. I choose when to ignore and when to respond and always will. Deal with it.

Since no one implied that "empathy [is] a disastrous basis for morality." you are clearly either lying or illiterate here.

So you keep claiming you're ignoring me AND keep not ignoring me. Got it. You just lack any real self-control. You can't choose anything. You're at the whim of your emotions and are forced to try justifying them after the fact.

Again, as I've repeatedly proven, you always start the personal insults, as you have in this thread.

Quote:To be precise, Adam Smith is widely touted as the general "father of capitalism" or "father of modern economics" globally.

Same thing bitch, since America IS in fact a major exemplar of a capitalist system.

Quote:Modern empathy is not the agape that Jesus taught.

Same exact thing. Since you seem to think only LLM's know anything, here's Google's AI take on it:

"Jesus’ teachings on empathy emphasize deeply understanding, sharing, and relieving the emotional and physical pain of others, often termed "compassion in action". He modeled this by weeping with the grieving, healing the sick, and prioritizing human needs over strict social or religious rules. Key teachings include loving neighbors as oneself and the injunction to "rejoice with those who rejoice and weep with those who weep"

Quote:No one said empathy was completely incompatible with capitalism, as many moral and economic systems are compatible. I said "his moral philosophy... couldn't be completely compatible" with capitalism

Backpedaling as usual I see. Either it is compatible with it or it isn't. There is no possibility of both here. And as I just proved, it is completely compatible with it, just as Adam Smith conceived them to be.

Quote:Since no one implied that "empathy [is] a disastrous basis for morality." you are clearly either lying or illiterate here.

Sure ya did bitch. You just gave some cherry-picked LLM-generated list of disasterous effects of an empathy-based morality, as if morality had anything to do with practical consequences. Once again you show your pathetic spiritual retardation here, having no grasp whatsoever on empathy's apodictic and inherent ethical importance. Only a sociopath could be this clueless. Crawl back under your rock again. You have nothing to contribute to this thread.

Quote:So you keep claiming you're ignoring me AND keep not ignoring me.

I was ignoring you until I stopped and responded. Then I stopped ignoring you. See how that works? See I'm a free agent and get to decide whatever I want to do at all times. And I have not the slightest interest if that disappoints a stupid piece of shit like you or not. Are we clear?

(May 9, 2026 05:50 AM)Magical Realist Wrote:

Quote:To be precise, Adam Smith is widely touted as the general "father of capitalism" or "father of modern economics" globally.

Same thing bitch, since America IS in fact a major exemplar of a capitalist system.

No, it's really not.
Notice how you have to cherry-pick my post, so you avoid the point about Alexander Hamilton being the father of American capitalism.
You're obviously calling me names because you have no actual argument.

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Quote:Modern empathy is not the agape that Jesus taught.

Same exact thing. Since you seem to think only LLM's know anything, here's Google's AI take on it:

"Jesus’ teachings on empathy emphasize deeply understanding, sharing, and relieving the emotional and physical pain of others, often termed "compassion in action". He modeled this by weeping with the grieving, healing the sick, and prioritizing human needs over strict social or religious rules. Key teachings include loving neighbors as oneself and the injunction to "rejoice with those who rejoice and weep with those who weep"

Notice how you couldn't be the least bit intellectually honest and play devil's advocate, even a little, to include the term agape.

The compassion Jesus taught and embodied is defined as agape—a selfless, sacrificial, and unconditional love. While often translated simply as "compassion" or "love," agape in the context of Jesus’ teachings represents a willful commitment to the well-being of others, extending even to enemies, rather than just an emotional feeling.
- Gemini

And you claim you're such an expert on Christianity. 9_9

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Quote:No one said empathy was completely incompatible with capitalism, as many moral and economic systems are compatible. I said "his moral philosophy... couldn't be completely compatible" with capitalism

Backpedaling as usual I see. Either it is compatible with it or it isn't. There is no possibility of both here. And as I just proved, it is completely compatible with it, just as Adam Smith conceived them to be.

See how you had to cherry-pick my post again, to remove context. Yeah, that's dishonest.

Adam Smith never used the word "capitalism" in his writings, including his 1776 masterpiece, The Wealth of Nations. The term did not come into common usage until the late 19th century, well after his death. Instead, Smith referred to his economic system as the "system of natural liberty" or "commercial society".
- Gemini

So how is Smith's morality compatible with something that didn't exist, in modern terms, until after his death? @_@
If you could comprehend English, you'd see that I never said Smith's morality and economics were incompatible. Too bad you can't.

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Quote:Since no one implied that "empathy [is] a disastrous basis for morality." you are clearly either lying or illiterate here.

Sure ya did bitch. You just gave some cherry-picked LLM-generated list of disasterous effects of an empathy-based morality, as if morality had anything to do with practical consequences. Once again you show your pathetic spiritual retardation here, having no grasp whatsoever on empathy's apodictic and inherent ethical importance. Only a sociopath could be this clueless. Crawl back under your rock again. You have nothing to contribute to this thread.

Smith's "sympathy" is completely unmoored from any standard or basis with which to judge one's own impartiality, which he claims is necessary to take the perspective of an "impartial spectator." To solve this dilemma, Smith claims we should rely on general rules of morality built from a lifetime of observing others. If it takes a lifetime of observing, it's obviously a flawed morality, as it would necessarily be ill-informed for much of that lifetime.

Again, due to your lack of simple reading comprehension, you've somehow convinced yourself that I implied anything like empathy being complete anathema to morality. Agape, itself, includes a measure of empathy. Just not one were everyone's subjective feelings are validated.

But again, you call names because you have no cogent argument. You have to flail about just proclaiming your point is indisputable, without argument.

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Quote:So you keep claiming you're ignoring me AND keep not ignoring me.

I was ignoring you until I stopped and responded. Then I stopped ignoring you. See how that works? See I'm a free agent and get to decide whatever I want to do at all times. And I have not the slightest interest if that disappoints a stupid piece of shit like you or not. Are we clear?

(Apr 30, 2026 06:36 AM)Syne Wrote: But yes, please, as I've ask you many times before, ignore me. If you can. @_@

Apparently, you can't. 9_9

If you've ignored me at all (which I haven't noticed), it seems you've only been saving up your vile hatred to spew it out in a more concentrated form.

Quote:No, it's really not.
Notice how you have to cherry-pick my post, so you avoid the point about Alexander Hamilton being the father of American capitalism.

No..there are not two Fathers of Capitalism. Only one. Just as I pointed out.

Quote:See how you had to cherry-pick my post again, to remove context. Yeah, that's dishonest.

Adam Smith never used the word "capitalism" in his writings, including his 1776 masterpiece, The Wealth of Nations. The term did not come into common usage until the late 19th century, well after his death. Instead, Smith referred to his economic system as the "system of natural liberty" or "commercial society".

Wow..so "Wealth Of Nations" had nothing to do with capitalism and Smith was not the "Father Of Capitalism"? This is really gett'n deep into some historical revisionism. Maybe you should think for yourself instead of hiding behind cherry-picked LLM quotes. College would've certainly helped:

"The Wealth of Nations (1776): Formally titled An Inquiry into the Nature and Causes of the Wealth of Nations, this work is considered the first comprehensive system of political economy. It argued against government-constrained markets, advocating for what became known as laissez-faire capitalism."

Quote:Again, due to your lack of simple reading comprehension, you've somehow convinced yourself that I implied anything like empathy being complete anathema to morality. Agape, itself, includes a measure of empathy. Just not one were everyone's subjective feelings are validated.

Liar. You gave a LLM-provided list of all the terrible results of a morality based on empathy. Do I need to repost it? And "agape" was never a concept Jesus taught. It's a Greek word that was reappropriated later by Christian theologians:

"Agape (/ɑːˈɡɑːpeɪ, ˈɑːɡəˌpeɪ, ˈæɡə-/;[1] from Ancient Greek ἀγάπη (agápē)) is "the highest form of love, charity" and "the love of God for [human beings] and of [human beings] for God".[2] This is in contrast to philia, brotherly love, or philautia, self-love, as it embraces a profound sacrificial love that transcends and persists regardless of circumstance.

The verb form goes as far back as Homer, translated literally as affection, as in "greet with affection" and "show affection for the dead".[2] Other ancient authors have used forms of the word to denote love of a spouse or family, or affection for a particular activity, in contrast to eros (an affection of a sexual nature).

In the New Testament, agape refers to the covenant love of God for humans, as well as the human reciprocal love for God; the term necessarily extends to the love of one's fellow human beings.[3] Some contemporary writers have sought to extend the use of agape into non-religious contexts."--- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agape

Quote:Agape, itself, includes a measure of empathy. Just not one were everyone's subjective feelings are validated.

Empathy for others is not agape defined today largely as the exclusively Christian love for God and for others. It is not restricted to any religion. It is the universal human identification with another person's desires and sufferings and needs and life conditions and is the basis for all kindness and altruism and self-sacrifice and morality. Only a sociopath would try to argue otherwise.

Quote:If you've ignored me at all (which I haven't noticed), it seems you've only been saving up your vile hatred to spew it out in a more concentrated form.

So not responding to your posts as I have been is NOT ignoring you now? What the hell is it then?

(May 9, 2026 05:30 PM)Magical Realist Wrote:

Quote:No, it's really not.
Notice how you have to cherry-pick my post, so you avoid the point about Alexander Hamilton being the father of American capitalism.

No..there are not two Fathers of Capitalism. Only one. Just as I pointed out.

See how you're already changing your tune? Your claim was that Smith was the "father of American capitalism." You even made a point to reiterate that.
Smith is certainly seen as an "icon of American capitalism," just not a father or founder of it.

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Quote:See how you had to cherry-pick my post again, to remove context. Yeah, that's dishonest.

Adam Smith never used the word "capitalism" in his writings, including his 1776 masterpiece, The Wealth of Nations. The term did not come into common usage until the late 19th century, well after his death. Instead, Smith referred to his economic system as the "system of natural liberty" or "commercial society".

Wow..so "Wealth Of Nations" had nothing to do with capitalism and Smith was not the "Father Of Capitalism"? This is really gett'n deep into some historical revisionism. Maybe you should think for yourself instead of hiding behind cherry-picked LLM quotes. College would've certainly helped:

"The Wealth of Nations (1776): Formally titled An Inquiry into the Nature and Causes of the Wealth of Nations, this work is considered the first comprehensive system of political economy. It argued against government-constrained markets, advocating for what became known as laissez-faire capitalism."

No one said "The Wealth of Nations" has nothing to do with capitalism, nor that Smith wasn't the "father of capitalism." You're making up nonsense again. Sp any revisionism is all your own.

Still can't cite your quotes, huh? @_@
Actually, "The Wealth of Nations" didn't argue for complete laissez-faire capitalism and did favor some amount of government constraint of the market. Quoting sources you don't cite, with your lack of comprehension, isn't helping you.

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Quote:Again, due to your lack of simple reading comprehension, you've somehow convinced yourself that I implied anything like empathy being complete anathema to morality. Agape, itself, includes a measure of empathy. Just not one were everyone's subjective feelings are validated.

Liar. I said empathy is the foundation of all morality, not anathema to it. Just as was clearly stated in the 1 minute philosophy video on Smith's philosophy. Watch it again if you've forgotten. And "agape" was never a concept Jesus taught. It's a Greek word that was reappropriated later by Christian theologians:

Learn to read. I didn't say you called empathy anathema to morality. I said that's how you were characterizing my words:

(May 9, 2026 05:50 AM)Magical Realist Wrote: Sure ya did bitch. You just gave some cherry-picked LLM-generated list of disasterous effects of an empathy-based morality, as if morality had anything to do with practical consequences. Once again you show your pathetic spiritual retardation here, having no grasp whatsoever on empathy's apodictic and inherent ethical importance. Only a sociopath could be this clueless. Crawl back under your rock again. You have nothing to contribute to this thread.

I notice you couldn't manage a cogent reply to this part:

(May 9, 2026 10:07 AM)Syne Wrote: Smith's "sympathy" is completely unmoored from any standard or basis with which to judge one's own impartiality, which he claims is necessary to take the perspective of an "impartial spectator." To solve this dilemma, Smith claims we should rely on general rules of morality built from a lifetime of observing others. If it takes a lifetime of observing, it's obviously a flawed morality, as it would necessarily be ill-informed for much of that lifetime.

Over your head, huh? 9_9

Quote:"Agape (/ɑːˈɡɑːpeɪ, ˈɑːɡəˌpeɪ, ˈæɡə-/;[1] from Ancient Greek ἀγάπη (agápē)) is "the highest form of love, charity" and "the love of God for [human beings] and of [human beings] for God".[2] This is in contrast to philia, brotherly love, or philautia, self-love, as it embraces a profound sacrificial love that transcends and persists regardless of circumstance.

The verb form goes as far back as Homer, translated literally as affection, as in "greet with affection" and "show affection for the dead".[2] Other ancient authors have used forms of the word to denote love of a spouse or family, or affection for a particular activity, in contrast to eros (an affection of a sexual nature).

In the New Testament, agape refers to the covenant love of God for humans, as well as the human reciprocal love for God; the term necessarily extends to the love of one's fellow human beings.[3] Some contemporary writers have sought to extend the use of agape into non-religious contexts."--- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agape

Jesus taught:

"Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. This is the first and great commandment. And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets."
- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agape

There is no "first and great commandment" in your empathy.

And you remember your "theologian" C.S Lewis, right?

Charity (agápē, Greek: ἀγάπη) is the love that exists regardless of changing circumstances. Lewis recognizes this selfless love as the greatest of the four loves, and sees it as a specifically Christian virtue to achieve. The chapter on the subject focuses on the need to subordinate the other three natural loves – as Lewis puts it, "The natural loves are not self-sufficient" – to the love of God, who is full of charitable love, to prevent what he termed their "demonic" self-aggrandizement.
- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Four_L...od%22_love

Lewis says that storge (empathy bond) must be subordinate to agape.

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Quote:Agape, itself, includes a measure of empathy. Just not one were everyone's subjective feelings are validated.

Empathy for others is not agape defined today largely as the exclusively Christian love for God and for others. It is not restricted to any religion. It is the universal human identification with another person's desires and sufferings and needs and life conditions and is the basis for all kindness and altruism and self-sacrifice and morality. Only a sociopath would try to argue otherwise.

As Jesus, Lewis, and others have taught, secular empathy is insufficient.

However, affection's strength is also what makes it vulnerable. Affection has the appearance of being "built-in" or "ready made", says Lewis, and as a result, people come to expect it irrespective of their behaviour and its natural consequences. Both in its Need and its Gift form, affection then is liable to "go bad", and to be corrupted by such forces as jealousy, ambivalence and smothering.
- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Four_L...pathy_bond

See, consequences are not isolated from moral empathy.

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Quote:If you've ignored me at all (which I haven't noticed), it seems you've only been saving up your vile hatred to spew it out in a more concentrated form.

So not responding to your posts as I have been is NOT ignoring you now? What the hell is it then?

If you ignored me, it wasn't enough for me to notice. Maybe that's why you had to announce it... so someone might notice. 9_9