Trump and Netanyahu Announce 20-Point Gaza Peace Plan

Hope you’re right Yaz. Call me a pessimist if you like.

Just basing my opinion on the conditions set forth, especially the release of 2000 prisoners for 20 hostages. Although happens rarely these days, I can remember many countries having a non negotiation policy re plane hijacking that put more than 20 people at risk each time. I think it may have been an unwise decision to exchange non combatants for combatants and this will eventually result in more than 20 deaths. I realize this doesn’t sound nice but I think it’s true war to Hamas who feels the duty is to completely annihilate their hated enemy. Don’t think one can change that attitude through negotiations.

JNS article:

https://www.jns.org/israel-far-from-vict...erts-warn/

Excerpt:

Quote:.  “I find it inconceivable that the mighty IDF, with all its air force and navy and tanks and special forces, was unable to destroy a lightly armored militia. If someone told me on Oct. 6 that after two years, Hamas would emerge unvanquished, I would dismiss them as a fool,” Martin Sherman, senior researcher at the Israel Defense and Security Forum, told JNS.

Damn, forgot to put this Google AI take in original post:

Quote:    Public perception: In the eyes of many, Hamas has emerged as the "victor" of the recent conflict merely by enduring Israeli military pressure and forcing a ceasefire, validating its strategy of armed resistance. For Hamas and other militant groups, the recent hostage exchange also demonstrated the strategic effectiveness of hostage-taking.

One last thing (AI):

Quote: The Viet Cong and North Vietnamese forces violated ceasefires to resupply, reorganize, and position troops more effectively. A key example occurred after the 1973 Paris Peace Accords, when they continued their offensive activities to gain ground against South Vietnam, ultimately leading to the fall of Saigon.

(Oct 14, 2025 06:46 AM)Magical Realist Wrote:

Quote:Just making sure you're an outright antisemite piece of human waste.

Meh...that's pretty much your one go-to punchline isn't it? You repeat it so much it's lost all dramatic effect much less credibility. Sometimes I think you're a mindless chatbot outputting the same sentences over and over. But then I realize that can't be as those are actually much more interesting. lol

Notice how you can't even attempt to feasibly deny it. Your record here is far too compelling for that... eagerly defending every bit of Hamas propaganda, even from know Hamas supporters (which you simply deny without evidence).

All the legacy media was reporting about the supposed starving of Gazans, but now they're pretty silent on Hamas executing people in the street. Seems they only care when it't attacking Israel.
https://www.youtube-nocookie.com/embed/OVdj1fJOfkg

So they were just pretending to be starving? Did you see the chaos and desperation when those food trucks arrived? That wasn't fake.

All military-aged men, knowing they can sell it on the black market for profit, if not to fund Hamas. All the other "desperation" was shown to be fake photo ops.

Quote:All military-aged men, knowing they can sell it on the black market for profit, if not to fund Hamas.

Right..the most in shape young men, many just boys, sent to get some food. Exactly those that families would send. And no, you have no evidence they were selling it on the black market. You're just a lying sack of shit dehumanizing starving innocent Palestinians.

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/cRpUKj0EUtc

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/XbRJhPadaXw

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/tglF5AL9aP0

Notice how MR is still harping on this supposed starvation while ignoring Hamas killing people, execution style, in the streets right now.

(Oct 17, 2025 05:04 AM)Syne Wrote: Notice how MR is still harping on this supposed starvation while ignoring Hamas killing people, execution style, in the streets right now.

Hamas have always been seen as terrorists. The problem with Gaza is that it didn't have a true democracy, it's just run by whoever is strong enough to dominate it through force and violence.

That means there is pecking order, where those at the top are the militants that take from everyone and dish out their form of justice to force order on those below. Those at the bottom are just the poor unfortunate souls that are likely victims of all transgressions. They suffer from the top of the pecking order, they suffer when their is conflict as both sides end up getting them killed.

The civilian cost is where the problem arises.

When people think of starvation, they probably think of pictures of Ethiopian from the 1980s. That actually was Famine, which is worse case of starvation since that isn't just about not being able to get food, but grow it. That level of starvation involves increase atrophy and fatigue as the body starts to break down it's own fats, muscle and even bone. (Which can lead to long term health problems for future generations too)

Starvation has in history been used as a war tool. For instance when a siege would be laid to a castle or city, it's intention would be to cause unrest from the shortage of food and drinking water. It would cause problems between the civilians and the defenders there because obviously the defenders would have a greater share of food than the civilians. The attackers hoped that breaking the resolve would get them to open the gates, rather than having to storm the walls.

Gazans could still grow some, however it wasn't in a huge supply. Sure there would of been gunmen trying to steal all the food that was dropped in (An old adage is that "Society is three meals away from revolution", so controlling the food could well be used to either break those in-charge or keep them there)

In some respects by Israel blocking aid to begin with, they kept the terrorists in charge. They should really of flooded the place with food, there would of been far less people interested in hearing what Hamas has to say.

Just a peek from inside Gaza looking out..
This is my guess..
They don't know the extent or ferocity of the Hamas attack on Israel on October 7th 2023. They probably do know about the hostages taken to attract international attention to the situation*. They see that Israel responded by bombing their homes instead of negotiating - a terrorist response. They have no sympathy for anyone who has collaborated with terrorists [Israel]. Hamas is seen as having done their best to keep civilization together during the Israeli attacks [or they are too scared to think anything else].

* - 'the situation' doesn't really matter at this point.

Hamas shooting Gazans instead of hostages probably satisfies some primal lust. How many per hostage is anyone's guess.