High strangeness with the book "Communion"

(Nov 4, 2016 08:39 PM)Syne Wrote: Still afraid to admit you're an atheist, huh? Why not just deny it and be done with it?

No sightings of God and Jesus? Oh well..

(Nov 4, 2016 08:41 PM)Magical Realist Wrote:

(Nov 4, 2016 08:39 PM)Syne Wrote: Still afraid to admit you're an atheist, huh? Why not just deny it and be done with it?

No sightings of God and Jesus? Oh well..

You can Google it yourself...there are plenty. But I'm just as skeptical of them as I am alien/ghost encounters, so I have no vested interest in promoting them. Gullible people will believe lies just as easily as facts. Again, are you an atheist? What are you afraid of?

(Nov 4, 2016 09:13 PM)Syne Wrote:

(Nov 4, 2016 08:41 PM)Magical Realist Wrote:

(Nov 4, 2016 08:39 PM)Syne Wrote: Still afraid to admit you're an atheist, huh? Why not just deny it and be done with it?

No sightings of God and Jesus? Oh well..

You can Google it yourself...there are plenty. But I'm just as skeptical of them as I am alien/ghost encounters, so I have no vested interest in promoting them. Gullible people will believe lies just as easily as facts. Again, are you an atheist? What are you afraid of?

I googled "photo of Jesus" in Google Images and it came up with hundreds of photos of Jesus paintings selling for as much as $166.00. I googled "photo of ufo" and came up with hundreds of actual photos of ufos. My point is proven.

(Nov 4, 2016 10:44 PM)Magical Realist Wrote: I googled "photo of Jesus" in Google Images and it came up with hundreds of photos of Jesus paintings selling for as much as $166.00. I googled "photo of ufo" and came up with hundreds of actual photos of ufos. My point is proven.

UFO sightings are not analogous to Jesus sightings. No one disputes documented lights in the sky...only their supposed source, which where any other evidence exists turns out to be mundane.

A group of 7 Colombian students say the Lord came to them and took them to see both Heaven and Hell. What you are about to read is one student’s account of the group’s time spent in Heaven.

He claimed that God had arrived in a bolt of light and sound and he could see a human form.

God came and He was standing on the earth

That's just a few separated from those involving near-death experience (of which there are thousands more), with the first involving multiple people. But these are no more credible than your alien encounter tales. Now if you want to compare UFOs, Google "real pictures of angles". There's plenty of those, but again, if there is anything but photographic evidence, we find mundane causes.
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It's sad that an admitted theist can be more skeptical and rational than a supposed atheist.

(Nov 4, 2016 11:22 PM)Syne Wrote:

(Nov 4, 2016 10:44 PM)Magical Realist Wrote: I googled "photo of Jesus" in Google Images and it came up with hundreds of photos of Jesus paintings selling for as much as $166.00. I googled "photo of ufo" and came up with hundreds of actual photos of ufos. My point is proven.

UFO sightings are not analogous to Jesus sightings. No one disputes documented lights in the sky...only their supposed source, which where any other evidence exists turns out to be mundane.

A group of 7 Colombian students say the Lord came to them and took them to see both Heaven and Hell. What you are about to read is one student’s account of the group’s time spent in Heaven.

He claimed that God had arrived in a bolt of light and sound and he could see a human form.

God came and He was standing on the earth

That's just a few separated from those involving near-death experience (of which there are thousands more), with the first involving multiple people. But these are no more credible than your alien encounter tales. Now if you want to compare UFOs, Google "real pictures of angles". There's plenty of those, but again, if there is anything but photographic evidence, we find mundane causes.
Strange blue lights appear over Florida prompting speculation of aliens... but there is a very simple explanation
Why People are 'Suddenly' Seeing Strange Beams of Light Around the World

It's sad that an admitted theist can be more skeptical and rational than a supposed atheist.

Few people claim to see Jesus or God or have photos of Jesus or God. Why is that if according to you people hallucinate figures they already believe fervently in? Evidently not even that is enough "see" Jesus and God.. OTOH eyewitness accounts of aliens and ufo craft number in the hundreds of thousands. Many by people who didn't already believe in them. Ufo photos also number in the tens of thousands. That tells you something about which is real and which isn't.

Just an argumentum ad numerum, which is a fallacy. God is not generally believed to be corporeal, and you likely couldn't distinguish a humaniform god or Jesus from any other human just from a photo, so that's a meaningless comparison (and if you were rational, you'd know that). I suppose you think any alien photo is real too. LOL. But millions throughout history have claimed to see angels (many with photos), thousands have claimed seeing god/Jesus/heaven/hell in near-death experiences, and millions claim to have seen god/Jesus. Do these numbers mean anything? No, because intellectual honesty requires evidence, not fallacious arguments based on anecdotal claims and dubious photos.

You seem to be equivocating "real", as in photographed, with "real UFO/alien". No one doubts that anything in a photo is trivially real, only whether there is evidence to presume a cause beyond the mundane (like aircraft, photo artifacts, hoaxes, etc.).

But hey, if you need to believe in sasquatch, aliens, ghosts, faeries, etc. to feel like you have a fulfilling life, more power to you.

Quote:But millions throughout history have claimed to see angels (many with photos), thousands have claimed seeing god/Jesus/heaven/hell in near-death experiences, and millions claim to have seen god/Jesus. Do these numbers mean anything?

No..millions do not claim to "see" God or Jesus or photograph him like they do ufos. It's not even close. Near death experiences occur. Parodelia occurs with clouds and tortillas. But there is no basis to believe in the existence of God or Jesus based on eyewitness accounts and photos. There just isn't. That's why religion relies on faith: the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen. Religion had to make a virtue of unevidenced belief to convince people that God was worth believing in. His emotional appeal wasn't enough to to do it. That tells you what a sham religion is. It actually had to assure people that believing in things without sensory evidence was a good thing. This is nothing like the field of ufo research, which totally relies on physical evidence and photos and eyewitness accounts to establish the reality of the phenomenon. There is simply no comparison between the two..

If you read that again, you'll see that I actually said the opposite of people photographing god/Jesus (humaniform god/Jesus being indistinguishable from any other human). But millions do claim to see god/Jesus, either personally, in visions, NDEs, or via miracles. And they've done so for thousands of years before UFOs/aliens were even dreamed of. Whole civilizations have been built on belief in god. There's what...a tourist trap in Roswell for aliens?

But enough humoring you. It took you long enough to finally answer the very simple question about god vs alien credibility. The original question remains. If Streiber was skeptical even after a lot of personal experience, why do you exhibit so little skepticism with so little personal experience?

Quote:But millions do claim to see god/Jesus, either personally, in visions, NDEs, or via miracles.

No..very few claim to actually "see" God or Jesus. There are claims of visions and NDE's but that is not seeing God or Jesus as UFOs are seen. That is some internal vision not involving the eyes. Not even close...

Quote:But enough humoring you. It took you long enough to finally answer the very simple question about god vs alien credibility. The original question remains. If Streiber was skeptical even after a lot of personal experience, why do you exhibit so little skepticism with so little personal experience?

Streiber came to accept his experience as real as I already told you. Why do I exhibit so little skepticism due to my experience? Because I had that experience. Do you routinely doubt your own experience?

Who said you should doubt your own experience? I don't even have any doubt that you noticed a book pulled out. I just see no reason to think it was anything but coincidental...maybe sleepwalking. The odds that you didn't happen to notice it until that particular morning are just astronomically higher than, what, aliens slipping in to make a vague, cryptic gesture that could have easily gone unnoticed. LOL.

You reading Streiber just psychologically primed you for noticing innocuous irregularities. And that certainly doesn't rival what personal experience it took Streiber to overcome his skepticism. Which makes me think that you already suffer from a huge lack of skepticism.