Russian Ukraine Invasion

(Nov 14, 2022 04:08 AM)Zinjanthropos Wrote:

(Nov 14, 2022 03:16 AM)RainbowUnicorn Wrote: russians have no cause to fight a war, it would be unwise to give them one cause to rally behind.
russians know they are an invading army now and that is working against them.

if a threat was made on moscow it might create more willing conscripts

im pro the idea of them hitting those places they launch weapons from where ever that is

like a strike on the belarusian location of russian weapons & locations in russia close to the border which are launching strikes on ukraine and staging areas

Russia would have to divert some of their military resources to protecting Moscow and possibly other major targets on home ground. Oh they’ll rally alright, so would you if your guy is pointing an assault rifle at you threatening to shoot if you don’t sign up.

unless the country can be militarily dominated which is hard considering how big it is,
it's far better to have the russian people revolt and throw out putzler & his cronies.

making the war a war that costs too much is a simple & effective path using less allied lives.
it is already costing them more than they can afford.
another 6 months from now and the average russian will want putzler out and a new leader in who is not wasting their country invading other countrys.
it wont be until mid winter when the average russian feels the sanctions and realises its not worth having putzler running thier country.
once the majority of russians decide that the oligarchs will throw putzler out on his ass & sue for peace

thats my general thought on the idea. so its a war of attrition
make it more costly on russia
as costly as possible on russian lives and resources

(Nov 14, 2022 05:20 AM)RainbowUnicorn Wrote: unless the country can be militarily dominated which is hard considering how big it is,
it's far better to have the russian people revolt and throw out putzler & his cronies.

making the war a war that costs too much is a simple & effective path using less allied lives.
it is already costing them more than they can afford.
another 6 months from now and the average russian will want putzler out and a new leader in who is not wasting their country invading other countrys.
it wont be until mid winter when the average russian feels the sanctions and realises its not worth having putzler running thier country.
once the majority of russians decide that the oligarchs will throw putzler out on his ass & sue for peace

thats my general thought on the idea. so its a war of attrition
make it more costly on russia
as costly as possible on russian lives and resources

Revolution unfortunately isn't always quick and isn't necessarily without casualities.

Currently there are Activists that oppose the current Russian leadership and they have stood their ground and some have found themselves arrested and various laws applied to give them hefty sentences. The problem currently is their activism, their attempts to make change can only be effective if their stories are told and maintained as current so they do not slide into obscurity.

Those being held or killed for their defiance, is martyrdom and that is only empowering should it not be obscured.

Ideally there should be free press group (ideally Russian) that pushes a "Free Kenny" campaign for all those that defy the Russian regime, that would mean as near day to day blog of each of those held, identify their troubles and traumas and hopefully opening the eyes of their public to the oppression they truly suffer and what people are willing to endure to free them from that.

Vladimir Kara-Murza could spend up to 24 years behind bars in Russia for being Opposed to the regime.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-63597097


Perhaps as weird as it is, rather than activists operating from the shadows and opposing the government they should be handing themselves in to be arrested freely (i.e. Spartacus). Yes to means they would all likely endure prison sentences and the cruelty of the state that they currently oppose, however their arrests would cause pressure from their families and cause their families to talk about the troubles and tribulations of their loved ones as they are locked away.

It could spread the idealeology like wildfire and cause others to start handing themselves in, the intension of course would be to flood their offices, to overload and overwork their officers, to undermine the regime and it's content. (The problem of course is that Russia has made a lot of space in it's prisons to hold people for opposing the current regime having sent so many inmates to die.)

So the numbers of people need to overwhelm the workforce rather than just fill up spaces in a prison.

UPDATE

https://www.youtube-nocookie.com/embed/vvztxcimU7g

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(Nov 14, 2022 02:57 PM)stryder Wrote:

(Nov 14, 2022 05:20 AM)RainbowUnicorn Wrote: unless the country can be militarily dominated which is hard considering how big it is,
it's far better to have the russian people revolt and throw out putzler & his cronies.

making the war a war that costs too much is a simple & effective path using less allied lives.
it is already costing them more than they can afford.
another 6 months from now and the average russian will want putzler out and a new leader in who is not wasting their country invading other countrys.
it wont be until mid winter when the average russian feels the sanctions and realises its not worth having putzler running thier country.
once the majority of russians decide that the oligarchs will throw putzler out on his ass & sue for peace

thats my general thought on the idea. so its a war of attrition
make it more costly on russia
as costly as possible on russian lives and resources

Revolution unfortunately isn't always quick and isn't necessarily without casualities.

Currently there are Activists that oppose the current Russian leadership and they have stood their ground and some have found themselves arrested and various laws applied to give them hefty sentences.  The problem currently is their activism, their attempts to make change can only be effective if their stories are told and maintained as current so they do not slide into obscurity.

Those being held or killed for their defiance, is martyrdom and that is only empowering should it not be obscured.

Ideally there should be free press group (ideally Russian) that pushes a "Free Kenny" campaign for all those that defy the Russian regime, that would mean as near day to day blog of each of those held, identify their troubles and traumas and hopefully opening the eyes of their public to the oppression they truly suffer and what people are willing to endure to free them from that.

Vladimir Kara-Murza could spend up to 24 years behind bars in Russia for being Opposed to the regime.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-63597097


Perhaps as weird as it is, rather than activists operating from the shadows and opposing the government they should be handing themselves in to be arrested freely (i.e. Spartacus).  Yes to means they would all likely endure prison sentences and the cruelty of the state that they currently oppose, however their arrests would cause pressure from their families and cause their families to talk about the troubles and tribulations of their loved ones as they are locked away. 

It could spread the idealeology like wildfire and cause others to start handing themselves in, the intension of course would be to flood their offices, to overload and overwork their officers, to undermine the regime and it's content.  (The problem of course is that Russia has made a lot of space in it's prisons to hold people for opposing the current regime having sent so many inmates to die.)

So the numbers of people need to overwhelm the workforce rather than just fill up spaces in a prison.

i get the distinct feeling that russian culture teachers russians to not care about other people
so they dont

Zelensky visited Kherson Monday

https://www.youtube-nocookie.com/embed/U25ectiO5pU

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https://www.youtube-nocookie.com/embed/rKOA-agWhH8

Heard Putin supports eugenics. Two things: Does he believe Russians have superior intellect when compared to Ukrainians (or possibly the world) and is he purposefully sending low IQ conscripts or generally those Russians he feels are inferior to the front, thereby improving Russian gene pool? Thus in his mind, Putin hits the daily double with this strategy when you include the Ukrainians. Either way, mission accomplished. Sometimes I think you have to have a little bit of a eugenic in you to be a dictator in war…idk.

https://www.bbc.com/news/live/world-asia-63593855

Quote:Poland holds urgent meeting amid reports of stray Russian missile strike
Polish Prime Minister Mateusz Morawiecki has convened an urgent meeting of Poland's National Security Council after unconfirmed reports that stray Russian missiles hit a farm in a Polish village near the Ukrainian border, killing two people.
The village has been named as Przewodów.

Quote:Polish media reported that two people died Tuesday afternoon (local time) after a projectile struck an area where grain was drying in Przewodów, a Polish village near the border with Ukraine.

sounds like a deliberate target

what would be an appropriate response ?
polish air force to strike targets, maybe hit Crimea
secret F-16 mission to strike at the heart of Crimea airport
or strike the russians cruiser missile carrier ships in Crimea
maybe start with radar missiles to take out russians sam sites

would be awesome to see poland destroy those russian cruiser missile ships with anti ship missiles from their F-16's

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(Nov 15, 2022 02:39 PM)Zinjanthropos Wrote: Heard Putin supports eugenics. Two things: Does he believe Russians have superior intellect when compared to Ukrainians (or possibly the world) and is he purposefully sending low IQ conscripts or generally those Russians he feels are inferior to the front, thereby improving Russian gene pool? Thus in his mind, Putin hits the daily double with this strategy when you include the Ukrainians. Either way, mission accomplished. Sometimes I think you have to have a little bit of a eugenic in you to be a dictator in war…idk.

russian culture is very racist
they have lots of nazi organisations inside russia
large groups of their people are nazis
that has been the case for years which also contributes to their massive corruption

Ukraine should be given ATACMS so they can hit the russian missile cruise ships in crimea

RU has already beat me to posting about this:

A few hours ago Russia launched more than 100 missiles from all directions at targets in Ukraine. (They are seemingly mad about being forced out of Kherson city.) Air raid warnings have been going off in all Ukrainian provinces/oblasts.

And two of those missiles appear to have gone off course and landed in the farming village of Przewodow in Lublin province in Poland! They struck grain-dryers and two Polish farmers are confirmed dead. Unknown if there are more dead or how many injuries there are.

The Polish Government Defense Committee is holding an emergency meeting with all the country's top leaders present. And NATO is meeting in Brussels.

Two NATO treaty provisions may be in play.

Article 5 says that an attack on any NATO member is an attack on all of them. Which could conceivably mean all of NATO (including the US) going to war with nuclear-armed Russia.

And Article 4 calls on NATO members to "consult" when the territory of any member is threatened.

My guess is that Poland will invoke Article 4 since a war with Russia would not be in Poland's interest. And there's no indication that Russia has invaded Poland or even deliberately attacked it. It's just a hard-to-contain war spilling over. But Poland will probably request some kind of NATO action short of war, such as more military support for Poland. (Which in my opinion they should get.)

https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/169...orld-war-3

Very preliminary and very unofficial analysis of some photos of some of the missile fragments from Przewodow Poland suggest that they might be fragments of a Ukrainian air defense missile. Obviously this remains to be verified, but it does suggest the possibility that it might not have been a Russian missile at all, but rather a Ukrainian missile launched in hopes of intercepting a Russian cruise missile. (A counter argument is that the crater photographed in Poland appears to have been a larger explosive charge than the relatively small charge on an AA missile.)

https://twitter.com/UAWeapons/status/159...1161075712

The Ukrainians are pushing back with their usual it's-Russian-disinformation line. There's already a huge amount of bullshit on twitter about this.

https://twitter.com/DmytroKuleba/status/...6751434752

apparently France is giving 6 more Caesars to Ukraine which is fantastic news.

they will be just the thing in winter conditions where they can maintain operating

https://www.ukrinform.net/rubric-ato/361...weeks.html

this will make a total of 24
would be great to have leopards to spear head them