Election fraud

Biden wins the electoral college votes! No faithless electors. Democracy is affirmed in spite of rightwing attempts to subvert it.

No subversion, legal options exercised. And that vote count could still be contested in the joint session of congress come Jan 6th.

And more incriminating evidence of fraud in the Georgia election:
https://www.youtube-nocookie.com/embed/qQWSYGk9HR8

This is the woman in purple who was shown counting the same stack of ballots three times, and whose daughter was the one who told election observers to leave.

Not that MR will watch, much less ever be able to refute.

(Dec 14, 2020 11:45 PM)Syne Wrote: No subversion, legal options exercised. And that vote count could still be contested in the joint session of congress come Jan 6th.

And more incriminating evidence of fraud in the Georgia election:

https://www.youtube-nocookie.com/embed/qQWSYGk9HR8

This is the woman in purple who was shown counting the same stack of ballots three times, and whose daughter was the one who told election observers to leave.

Not that MR will watch, much less ever be able to refute.

Quote:“A people that elect corrupt politicians, imposters, thieves and traitors are not victims... but accomplices”

Some say George Orwell said it , some not.

(Dec 14, 2020 11:49 PM)Zinjanthropos Wrote:

Quote:“A people that elect corrupt politicians, imposters, thieves and traitors are not victims... but accomplices”

Some say George Orwell said it , some not.

The problem is that those people are proud of being such accomplices...as well as proud to claim being victims.

Just listened to Joe’s post electoral college speech. Not often you see a sore winner. He did his best to sweep the entire voting fiasco, which actually did expose many irregularities, right under the carpet. Like it never happened. As a skeptic, naturally my guard went up. The first cover up of many to come?

They couldn’t give the poor guy a glass of water?

(Dec 15, 2020 02:08 AM)Zinjanthropos Wrote: [...] They couldn’t give the poor guy a glass of water?

Nah. The worse his physiological and mental state increasingly appears to the public over the next half-year, the better the justification for handing the reigns over. Though his wife and Kamala could still jointly prop him up and do the Edith Wilson thing if the old geezer doggedly refuses to take a hint.

(Dec 15, 2020 02:08 AM)Zinjanthropos Wrote: Just listened to Joe’s post electoral college speech. Not often you see a sore winner. He did his best to sweep the entire voting fiasco, which actually did expose many irregularities, right under the carpet. Like it never happened. As a skeptic, naturally my guard went up. The first cover up of many to come?

They couldn’t give the poor guy a glass of water?

I liked the part where he said the election workers weren't seeking the spotlight. I thought, of course they weren't, you don't cheat when everyone is watching...hence all the obstacles to the election observers.

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Pennsylvania, Georgia, Nevada, and Arizona Republican Electors Cast Votes for Trump

Republican electors in four states said on Dec. 14 that they would cast their procedural votes for President Donald Trump and Vice President Mike Pence, the latest update contesting the results of the 2020 election.

Republican electors in Pennsylvania, Georgia, Nevada, Arizona all said they voted for Trump. It comes as their states formally appointed Democratic electors who voted for Democrat Joe Biden and Sen. Kamala Harris (D-Calif.).

In Michigan, two separate slates of electors were cast: 16 for Trump and 16 for Biden.
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The Pennsylvania GOP said in a news release that electors met in Harrisburg to “cast a conditional vote” for Trump and Pence “at the request of the Trump campaign.” Their vote comes as Democratic electors cast their Electoral College votes for Biden and Harris.

The Pennsylvania GOP cited the 1960 presidential election between Richard Nixon and John F. Kennedy, who would become the eventual winner.
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In Georgia, David Shafer, the chairman of the state’s Republican Party, said that GOP electors made their move today because the “President’s lawsuit contesting the Georgia election is still pending.”
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The same thing was done in Nevada, with the state’s Republican electors casting their vote for Trump and Pence. In a Twitter post by the Nevada GOP, they stated, “History made today.”

Arizona’s Republican presidential electors also voted for Trump and Pence, according to the state’s Republican party.

The Electoral College votes are cast on Dec. 14 and counted on Jan. 6 during a Joint Session of Congress, when the House of Representatives and Senate meet.

After states have completed their vote counts and gathered the official results, “the U.S. Code (3 U.S.C. Section 6) requires the state governors to prepare, ‘as soon as practicable,’ documents known as Certificates of Ascertainment of the vote.”

“The certificates must list the names of the electors chosen by the voters and the number of votes received in the popular election results, also the names of all losing candidates for elector, and the number of votes they received,” according to the Congressional Research Service.

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Documentary on the election fraud:
https://www.theepochtimes.com/2020-elect...ensicExam2

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Trump Approves Filing Retooled Texas-Style Election Challenges

IOW, a purely legal challenge, without any need for evidence of fraud.

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Nevada DMV Records Suggest 3,987 Non-Citizens Voted in 2020 Election

Nevada Department of Motor Vehicle (DMV) records suggest that nearly 4,000 legal and illegal aliens cast votes in the 2020 general election, according to a sworn affidavit filed with a state court.

As part of legislation enacted by the state’s Democrats, the DMV automatically registers to vote every person who obtains a driver’s license. In Nevada, both legal and illegal non-citizens can obtain driver’s licenses and identification cards.

Jesse Kamzol, an expert engaged by the Republican Party as part of an election lawsuit, matched the 110,164 non-citizen records from the DMV, which were obtained through a subpoena by the state’s Republican Party, against Nevada’s voter file. He determined, with “high to mid-high confidence,” that 6,260 non-citizens were registered to vote and 3,987 non-citizens had voted.

https://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show...s-n1251139

Stephen Miller eyes 'alternate' electors, distinct from real ones

By Steve Benen

"Reality has painted an unfortunate picture for Donald Trump. The vote counts proved Joe Biden won, as did the recounts and the certification process. Republican lawsuits have failed, and members of the electoral college will make Biden's victory official today.

It was against this backdrop that Stephen Miller, an influential White House official, appeared on Fox News this morning and assured the hosts, "[W]e have more than enough time to right the wrong of this fraudulent election result and certify Donald Trump as the winner of the election."

I'll confess, seeing Miller say there's "more than enough time" immediately brought to mind Monty Python and the Holy Grail, and the scene in which the Black Knight keeps insisting he can prevail against King Arthur, even as he's slowly dismembered.

But that's not all Miller said.

"As we speak, today, an alternate slate of electors in the contested states is going to vote and we're going to send those results up to Congress," he continued. "This will ensure that all of our legal remedies remain open. That means that if we win these cases in the courts, that we can direct that the alternate state of electors be certified."

It seems oddly fitting that a presidency that began with a reference to "alternative facts" is ending with references to "alternate" electors.

The problem, of course, is that Miller is pointing to a made-up political mechanism. There is nothing in the American electoral system that allows for both real electors and "alternate" electors that the defeated president likes better. One will arrive at Congress with states' legal backing; the other will be utterly meaningless.

As Rick Hasen, an expert in election law, explained this morning, "These [Miller-backed alternate] electors have neither been certified by state executives nor purportedly appointed by state legislators. They don't have legal authority and so this does not affect the counting of Electoral College votes. But it does show that the Trump campaign will continue to try to delegitimize the Biden presidency and the American election system."

Of course, it's an open question as to how many congressional Republicans will try to recognize the fake electors instead of the real ones in states where voters had the audacity to elect someone other than Donald Trump.

This is, of course, part of a larger and unsettling pattern. There are actual facts, and then there are Trump-approved "alternative" facts. There are real news organizations, and then there are Trump-approved conservative news organizations. There are reality-based election results, and then there are Trump-approved imaginary election results.

Slate's Dahlia Lithwick wrote last week, "Eventually, we'll have to deal with our lack of shared reality." I agree. As Stephen Miller made clear this morning, however, today is not that day."

Why should anyone be upset about a losing candidate contesting a democratic election result when the voting processes are known to contain elements of fraud? Even the winner of such an election should be, at minimum, conducting an impartial investigation. Accepting victory or belittling the loser when you know fraud is present is worse than doing nothing about it. It speaks volumes of the victor lacking in good conscience and morality. Is there no shame?

(Dec 15, 2020 08:15 AM)Magical Realist Wrote: https://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show...s-n1251139

Stephen Miller eyes 'alternate' electors, distinct from real ones

First, MSNBC. 9_9

Second, there is precedent for sending the votes of two slates of electors.

Precedent subsequent to the statute’s original enactment in 1887 has been sparse. There appears only to have been one example, in 1961, when the governor of the state of Hawaii first certified the electors of Vice President Richard M. Nixon as having been appointed, and then, due to a subsequent recount which determined that Senator John F. Kennedy had won the Hawaii vote, certified Senator Kennedy as the winner. Both slates of electors had met on the prescribed day in December, cast their votes for President and Vice President, and transmitted them according to the federal statute. This was the case even though the recount was apparently not completed until a later date, that is, not until December 28.26The presiding officer, that is, the President of the Senate, Vice President Nixon, suggested “without the intent of establishing a precedent” that the latter and more recent certification of Senator Kennedy be accepted so as “not to delay the further count of electoral votes.” This was agreed to by unanimous consent.
https://fas.org/sgp/crs/misc/RL32717.pdf

So again, leftists are ignorant of history and law. If the results are in doubt, you can send the electoral votes for more than one candidate, and then the joint session of Congress can decide what to do with them. Those "alternative electors" thus became the real ones.

I wonder if MR ever gets tired of being made a fool by his leftist rags.

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(Dec 15, 2020 05:30 PM)Zinjanthropos Wrote: Why should anyone be upset about a losing candidate contesting a democratic election result when the voting processes are known to contain elements of fraud? Even the winner of such an election should be, at minimum, conducting an impartial investigation. Accepting victory or belittling the loser when you know fraud is present is worse than doing nothing about it. It speaks volumes of the victor lacking in good conscience and morality. Is there no shame?

The winner definitely should be eager to demonstrate his legitimacy and remove all doubt...allowing for some semblance of national unity. The only reason someone wouldn't is because they know, or seriously suspect, that they didn't win fairly.