Trump is really scared of brown people

(Oct 23, 2018 04:24 AM)RainbowUnicorn Wrote: who outsourced all the american jobs overthe last 40 years ? republicans

Both parties promoted it. But sure, the Republicans were certainly complicit in it. But what kind of Republicans have been in charge of the party since the 1980's? The Bush dynasty. (Since the 1980's, the Democrats have been shaped by the would-be Clinton dynasty and by Obama in much the same way.)

That's why Donald Trump's nomination in the 2016 primaries and his election in the general was a revolution in the entire Washington establishment. In both parties. Trump is something different, he represents the actual arrival of the "Change" that Barack Obama used as his slogan in 2008.

What's notable about both parties since Ronald Reagan, is that none of them have been American nationalists. They've all been airy idealists of one sort or another. That idealism about principles like "globalism" and "free trade" led them to lose sight of the interests of the American people, including American workers.

Trump most emphatically is an American nationalist. (So am I, that's why I voted for him and why I continue to strongly support him.)

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Quote:is zenophobia a positive or negative community value ?

"Xenophobia" is a left-wing pseudo-scientific buzz-word. It takes a perfectly good word from the psychiatric vocabulary ("phobia") and attaches it to "xeno-" (Greek for "different"), suggesting a psychiatric illness, a fear of difference. One could just as easily invent another bogus mental illness and call it 'koinophobia', fear of community.

That's just the thing, difference and community tend to be antithetical. In order for there to be a "community", people need to share more in common than what divides them. There must  be a common sense of belonging to us rather than being surrounded by them.

And if, as so many university professors constantly tell us, our values are all "socially constructed", then what happens to values when society disappears and turns into a collection of isolated social-atoms with nothing in common with their neighbors? Where community disappears into 'me' surrounded on all sides by 'them'?

It's a perfect definition of anomie, the breakdown of bonds between individuals and community, resulting in normlessness, the fragmentation of social identity and the loss of self-regulatory values.

And everywhere in the world where this vision exists by default or is being enforced by the elites, we see the rise of crime, school failure, welfare dependency, social division and identity politics. It's true in Europe, in London, in urban America, and throughout the 'third world'.

So, what is to be done?

I think that America once had a good solution: its famous "melting pot". Welcome immigrants but expect them to assimiliate into an existing American community. A solution where immigrants are expected to join us. If they don't want to become Americans, then why did they come here in the first place? Is America nothing more than the rest of the world's get-rich-quick spot?

That means that immigration has to occur at a slow enough rate that the new arrivals can be absorbed into the American cultural community without destroying it. The ideology that drives the whole thing has to emphasize the value of the larger community and of becoming part of it, as opposed to incessantly attacking the community and trying to subvert it, while encouraging new arrivals to set themselves up as separate communities in supposedly righteous opposition to their new home.

It's pretty obvious where all that is leading. To social fragmentation and ultimately to the collapse of Western Civilization.

(Oct 23, 2018 10:58 AM)stryder Wrote: You can see where this will go.

The opening of vast ghettos to house "aliens" away from the pure blood elitists, "aliens" being made to wear visible badges at all times so everyone knows they are one, The turning a blind eye to "aliens" getting beatdowns by both law enforcement and self-appointed patriots, the opening of vast (low if not any pay at all) sweat shops where health and welfare isn't a concern since there is always plenty more "aliens" to replace them.  

Didn't soldiers and civilians die in the pursuit of stopping that previously?  Just remember what your/our countries are becoming on Armistice/Veterans Day.

There is zero indication of anything like that ever happening in the US. I'll take your word for it about your neck of the woods.

(Oct 23, 2018 07:36 PM)Syne Wrote: There is zero indication of anything like that ever happening in the US. I'll take your word for it about your neck of the woods.

Unite the Right Rally (wikipedia.org)  August 2017.  Charlottesville, Virginia

"Zero" indication at all.

(Oct 24, 2018 01:41 AM)stryder Wrote:

(Oct 23, 2018 07:36 PM)Syne Wrote: There is zero indication of anything like that ever happening in the US. I'll take your word for it about your neck of the woods.

Unite the Right Rally (wikipedia.org)  August 2017.  Charlottesville, Virginia

"Zero" indication at all.

Yes, a tiny minority that has zero power in the US is not any indication of a marked second-class citizenry.

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/stat...5491120133

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I think that Stryder the Corbynite has been imbibing a few too many stereotypes about the United States. Perhaps you should visit us and see the place for yourself.

(Oct 23, 2018 10:58 AM)stryder Wrote: The opening of vast ghettos to house "aliens" away from the pure blood elitists

And very nice ghettos they are too. For example Cupertino California, in the midst of Silicon Valley and famous as the home of Apple and its futuristic headquarters (which architecturally resembles Britain's GCHQ).

Cupertino is populated very heavily by Asian immigrants and children of Asian immigrants, to the point where white Anglos are only about 25%. It doesn't exactly house fresh-off-the-boat immigrants, but serves as a move-up community for this Asian group. Most of them are ethnic Chinese, but there's a very prominent Indian crowd too. Home prices are inflated to the multi-million range, perhaps 5x the California average. Everyone seems to get along. (Part of that is because Chinese typically make an effort to quickly learn English, have strong family-values, low crime and their kids excel in school.)

Nobody forces them to live there, they are free to live anywhere they like. But many of them like to live someplace where many other Asians live. So clustering is typically voluntary.

http://www.city-data.com/city/Cupertino-California.html

Quote:"aliens" being made to wear visible badges at all times so everyone knows they are one

That's just your imagination Stryder. Nobody has ever suggested that. It's true that some immigrants wear distinctive dress, Sikhs and Muslims in particular. But again, that's their choice. The rest of us aren't forcing them to do it.

Quote:The turning a blind eye to "aliens" getting beatdowns by both law enforcement and self-appointed patriots.

There goes your imagination again.

In real life, not some Briton's fantasy, the United States treats immigrants exceedingly well. Which, of course, is why so many people around the world want to move here. The United States accepts some 1 million legal immigrants every year.

All we ask is that immigrants enter legally, obey the law and not be a burden. We are under no obligation to show them any special consideration if they aren't here legally.

Good post, Yaz. Especially Trump tweeting Obama's own words...that leftists call racist coming from anyone on the right.

(Oct 24, 2018 03:09 AM)Yazata Wrote: I think that Stryder the Corbynite has been imbibing a few too many stereotypes about the United States. Perhaps you should visit us and see the place for yourself.

Maybe my memory's riding the Planet Nine imagination hay-wagon, but it seems like Stryder did tour all over the place with his sister's band.

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(Oct 24, 2018 06:40 AM)C C Wrote:

(Oct 24, 2018 03:09 AM)Yazata Wrote: I think that Stryder the Corbynite has been imbibing a few too many stereotypes about the United States. Perhaps you should visit us and see the place for yourself.

Maybe my memory's riding the Planet Nine imagination hay-wagon, but it seems like Stryder did tour all over the place with his sister's band.

Traveling a country and having an inaccurate view of it are not mutually exclusive. Do the tourists at the Eiffel Tower understand French politics and demographics? There are even plenty of coastal leftists who have no clue what the rest of the country is like.

Technically It's devils advocate, it's a discussion board

It's not so much blatant inaccuracy aimed at undermining the US (that's not my intention).  It's more about checking yourself (I mean generally the egocentric form of checking ones self as opposed to just stating that you in particular have to check yourself).  I don't think that every American is the stereotype of what I posed, in fact the majority seems to be the contrary (I mean you greet people when you are in vicinity of each other, you tend to help each other if something bad happens and to be honest you have more community driven spirit that what goes on in the UK.)

So considering what is seen and how the usual concern that the past is often forgotten and infinitely repeated, it's a good idea to look at what small cautionary signs are on the horizon if only to steer clear of rocky shore. After all the point of mentioned WWII related concerns was how Nazi's rose to power, the question that historians usually ask is how did it slide so far without people trying to stop it, and the reality was it was small cautionary things being ignored and that ignorance allowing an escalation of increasingly brazen acts resulting in the personification of an evil empire.

I guess it's that respect in short you could imply "I worry", I worry that the state of the world is literally in a form of freefall with self-destructive intent and I as an individual can't do anything to dissuade it from ending that way. (Not quite "The end of the world is nigh" but close I guess)

(Oct 24, 2018 07:55 PM)stryder Wrote: Technically It's devils advocate, it's a discussion board

It's not so much blatant inaccuracy aimed at undermining the US (that's not my intention).  It's more about checking yourself (I mean generally the egocentric form of checking ones self as opposed to just stating that you in particular have to check yourself).  I don't think that every American is the stereotype of what I posed, in fact the majority seems to be the contrary (I mean you greet people when you are in vicinity of each other, you tend to help each other if something bad happens and to be honest you have more community driven spirit that what goes on in the UK.)

So considering what is seen and how the usual concern that the past is often forgotten and infinitely repeated, it's a good idea to look at what small cautionary signs are on the horizon if only to steer clear of rocky shore. After all the point of mentioned WWII related concerns was how Nazi's rose to power, the question that historians usually ask is how did it slide so far without people trying to stop it, and the reality was it was small cautionary things being ignored and that ignorance allowing an escalation of increasingly brazen acts resulting in the personification of an evil empire.

I guess it's that respect in short you could imply "I worry", I worry that the state of the world is literally in a form of freefall with self-destructive intent and I as an individual can't do anything to dissuade it from ending that way. (Not quite "The end of the world is nigh" but close I guess)

Your original post felt "to me" more like playing DA for France's or Italy's future, anyway.

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