Conservatives are hallucinating gays in Starbuck's coffee cups

(Nov 23, 2017 02:26 AM)Magical Realist Wrote:

Quote:Only in the context of that advertisement video for it, and LGBT response. Not solely on the cup artwork.

The image on the cup is not related in any way to the image in the video. They're not the same. There's no reason for any sane and intelligent person to impute a gay agenda to the image on the cup. Typically it demonstrates the paranoid  
mania of right wingnuts who see gay sex in everything from Disney movies to toys.

Totally agree. 

Even if Starbucks is targeting a gay audience, or trying to bring positive awareness to the LGBT community through their cups, etc.. who cares? People get offended over such odd things, anymore.

(Nov 23, 2017 05:57 AM)Leigha Wrote:

(Nov 23, 2017 02:26 AM)Magical Realist Wrote:

Quote:Only in the context of that advertisement video for it, and LGBT response. Not solely on the cup artwork.

The image on the cup is not related in any way to the image in the video. They're not the same. There's no reason for any sane and intelligent person to impute a gay agenda to the image on the cup. Typically it demonstrates the paranoid  
mania of right wingnuts who see gay sex in everything from Disney movies to toys.

Totally agree. 

Even if Starbucks is targeting a gay audience, or trying to bring positive awareness to the LGBT community through their cups, etc.. who cares? People get offended over such odd things, anymore.

The only reason I would find something to do with sex in a cartoon and bring it to everyone's attention would be to stir up controversy. I really in all honesty don't care if you're gay or straight, don't care, not one bit. It's how people react that I find interesting. Starbucks was aware of potential controversy and were prepared for the fallout, positive or negative. We are talking about billion dollars business here, professional artists, business plans, advertising strategy, not some mom & pop company schmuck kid who unintentionally draws suggestive graffiti on coffee cups. 

I'd question their tactics if anything. People need to lighten up.

(Nov 23, 2017 05:57 AM)Leigha Wrote: Even if Starbucks is targeting a gay audience, or trying to bring positive awareness to the LGBT community through their cups, etc.. who cares? People get offended over such odd things, anymore.

People who have been put out of business for their religious beliefs, people who could be forced to officiate/participate in gay weddings, and people who have already seen the slippery slope proven to be true...just to name a few.

(Nov 23, 2017 07:35 AM)Syne Wrote:

(Nov 23, 2017 05:57 AM)Leigha Wrote: Even if Starbucks is targeting a gay audience, or trying to bring positive awareness to the LGBT community through their cups, etc.. who cares? People get offended over such odd things, anymore.

People who have been put out of business for their religious beliefs, people who could be forced to officiate/participate in gay weddings, and people who have already seen the slippery slope proven to be true...just to name a few.

Where in the Bible does it say Christians can't do business with gay people? I've been studying religion for many years and have never heard of that belief until gay people started asking for wedding cakes. Sounds made up to me.

(Nov 23, 2017 05:43 AM)Syne Wrote:

(Nov 23, 2017 05:06 AM)RainbowUnicorn Wrote:

(Nov 23, 2017 03:19 AM)Syne Wrote:

Quote:Of course they're not the same, but the ad was lauded by LGBT for a reason.

(Nov 23, 2017 03:08 AM)Magical Realist Wrote:

Quote:Without the ad, there would be zero push back on the cup. Zero.

The video has nothing to do with the cup. They're different images. Evidently conservatives and you are too stupid to see that.

Wow, you had to ignore me saying "Of course they're not the same" to pull that straw man out of your ass. You aren't even honest enough to admit that the ad is the only reason for the blowback. Look, we all know you're hatefully insecure. Just try to keep a lid on it.

Quote:but the ad was lauded by LGBT for a reason.

Quote:Wow, you had to ignore me saying "Of course they're not the same" to pull that straw man out of your ass.

Quote:the ad is the only reason for the blowback.

...
syne are you drunk ?
your either very bad at trolling or your quite drunk or your a brainwashed bible bashing nazi type person...

Nah, you're just as hatefully insecure as MR. Makes it hard for you to follow simple English.

You do know that the ad was for the new cup, right? O_o
Any connection starting to dawn on you yet?  

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See, now you're hatefully generalizing all Christians with cultish behavior. Should we be generalizing you based on Kevin Spacey?

Quote:Syne
See, now you're hatefully generalizing all Christians with cultish behavior. Should we be generalizing you based on Kevin Spacey?

does it not occur to you that if you assume that i mean all christians because i make a note of the extremists that YOU are infact associating christianity to Extremism/terrrorism ?

Extremism can occur with or without a religous frame.
it just so happens that the majority of the worlds population identify as a particular religous type.

i have no hate for christian, Hindu's muslims, Athiests, Secular humanists, Shinto, Seek's, Bhuddist's, Catholics. Judaism.

quite the opposite in my opinion of the pope moving catholacism forward with the evolution of the species.
i admire Rome for doing so against a back drop of minority public objection.
What other religions poke fun at themselves like jews ? quite an admirable concept of spirituality i suggest.
i also admire Hindu & Bhuddism for being part of western Spiritual evolution the likes of which have influenced Musical Artists like The Beatles, Elvis, and lesser known artists who follow wiccan & pagan spirituality concepts.

i hold no hate toward any specific religion.

if you are unable look/critique in an unbiased manner, any particular religion then that is purely your perspective.

Do you not seperate the creative ginius from the generic frame work & appreciate both the positive aspects and the individual ?
Gelileo etc etc...

(Nov 23, 2017 08:15 AM)Magical Realist Wrote:

(Nov 23, 2017 07:35 AM)Syne Wrote:

(Nov 23, 2017 05:57 AM)Leigha Wrote: Even if Starbucks is targeting a gay audience, or trying to bring positive awareness to the LGBT community through their cups, etc.. who cares? People get offended over such odd things, anymore.

People who have been put out of business for their religious beliefs, people who could be forced to officiate/participate in gay weddings, and people who have already seen the slippery slope proven to be true...just to name a few.

Where in the Bible does it say Christians can't do business with gay people? I've been studying religion for many years and have never heard of that belief until gay people started asking for wedding cakes. Sounds made up to me.

"...participate in gay weddings..."

Or is tacitly condoning something you believe immoral A-okay in whatever passes for morality with you?
Would you force someone to make a Nazi cake? O_o

"If anyone does not obey ... have nothing to do with him, that he may be ashamed. Do not regard him as an enemy, but warn him as a brother. " - 2 Thessalonians 3:14-15

"And since they did not see fit to acknowledge God, God gave them up to a debased mind to do what ought not to be done. They were filled with all manner of unrighteousness, evil, covetousness, malice. They are full of envy, murder, strife, deceit, maliciousness. They are gossips, slanderers, haters of God, insolent, haughty, boastful, inventors of evil, disobedient to parents, foolish, faithless, heartless, ruthless. Though they know God's decree that those who practice such things deserve to die, they not only do them but give approval to those who practice them. " - Romans 1:28-32

"But now I am writing to you not to associate with anyone who bears the name of brother if he is guilty of sexual immorality or greed, or is an idolater, reviler, drunkard, or swindler—not even to eat with such a one." - 1 Corinthians 5:11

"Flee from sexual immorality. Every other sin a person commits is outside the body, but the sexually immoral person sins against his own body." - 1 Corinthians 6:18


You were saying? O_o

(Nov 23, 2017 07:35 AM)Syne Wrote:

(Nov 23, 2017 05:57 AM)Leigha Wrote: Even if Starbucks is targeting a gay audience, or trying to bring positive awareness to the LGBT community through their cups, etc.. who cares? People get offended over such odd things, anymore.

People who have been put out of business for their religious beliefs, people who could be forced to officiate/participate in gay weddings, and people who have already seen the slippery slope proven to be true...just to name a few.

bluring the lines of business & religion ?

if a business is a religous business & project a specific religion, surely they are not just an ordinary busines and should advertise themselves accordingly ?

public response to something the wider community deem incongruent with the nations way of operating businesses and other public processess is society doing society stuff.

can a church go into another church and demand they change their religion ?
obviousely not.
That is a legally and socially protected paradigm, just like operating a business open to the public.
if they only wish to serve a specific religion in a generically secular nation then they probably need to operate as a private club.
which is perfectly open for them to do.
why would they not ?

can bridal shops refuse to sell a dress to a women(or man) because they do not support interracial marriage as a religous principal of the business owner ?

(Nov 23, 2017 09:06 AM)RainbowUnicorn Wrote:

(Nov 23, 2017 05:43 AM)Syne Wrote: See, now you're hatefully generalizing all Christians with cultish behavior. Should we be generalizing you based on Kevin Spacey?

does it not occur to you that if you assume that i mean all christians because i make a note of the extremists that YOU are infact associating christianity to Extremism/terrrorism ?

No, because Christians in general are both the actual context of this discussion AND what you directly replied to MR's generalization with "indeed". You're just too intellectually dishonest to even admit when you make faulty generalizations and hateful associations. And if you really believe you hold no animosity toward the religious, you are highly deluded.


You never answered. You do know that the ad was for the new cup, right? O_o
Is that simple question too damning to your straw man?

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(Nov 23, 2017 09:17 AM)RainbowUnicorn Wrote:

(Nov 23, 2017 07:35 AM)Syne Wrote: People who have been put out of business for their religious beliefs, people who could be forced to officiate/participate in gay weddings, and people who have already seen the slippery slope proven to be true...just to name a few.

bluring the lines of business & religion ?

if a business is a religous business & project a specific religion, surely they are not just an ordinary busines and should advertise themselves accordingly ?

public response to something the wider community deem incongruent with the nations way of operating businesses and other public processess is society doing society stuff.

Freedom of religion means there are no lines between any aspect of business/social life and religion. Government restricting the free expression of religion is fascism. The only free means of dealing with what people perceive as discrimination is market pressure...people simply vote with their money and bad actors go out of business naturally.

Quote:can a church go into another church and demand they change their religion ?
obviousely not.

The gay going into any business and demanding the person change their religious beliefs is tantamount to exactly that. Other than that, it's a non sequitur, because nothing else analogous happens.

Quote:That is a legally and socially protected paradigm, just like operating a business open to the public.
if they only wish to serve a specific religion in a generically secular nation then they probably need to operate as a private club.
which is perfectly open for them to do.
why would they not ?

Can the government force a baker to make a Nazi cake? Why not?

Quote:can bridal shops refuse to sell a dress to a women(or man) because they do not support interracial marriage as a religous principal of the business owner ?

A free market would allow anyone to refuse service for any reason. And the competitor down the street will fill the need left by that vacuum.
Do you not believe in freedom? O_o

(Nov 23, 2017 09:13 AM)Syne Wrote:

(Nov 23, 2017 08:15 AM)Magical Realist Wrote:

(Nov 23, 2017 07:35 AM)Syne Wrote:

(Nov 23, 2017 05:57 AM)Leigha Wrote: Even if Starbucks is targeting a gay audience, or trying to bring positive awareness to the LGBT community through their cups, etc.. who cares? People get offended over such odd things, anymore.

People who have been put out of business for their religious beliefs, people who could be forced to officiate/participate in gay weddings, and people who have already seen the slippery slope proven to be true...just to name a few.

Where in the Bible does it say Christians can't do business with gay people? I've been studying religion for many years and have never heard of that belief until gay people started asking for wedding cakes. Sounds made up to me.

"...participate in gay weddings..."

Or is tacitly condoning something you believe immoral A-okay in whatever passes for morality with you?
Would you force someone to make a Nazi cake? O_o

"If anyone does not obey ... have nothing to do with him, that he may be ashamed. Do not regard him as an enemy, but warn him as a brother. " - 2 Thessalonians 3:14-15

"And since they did not see fit to acknowledge God, God gave them up to a debased mind to do what ought not to be done. They were filled with all manner of unrighteousness, evil, covetousness, malice. They are full of envy, murder, strife, deceit, maliciousness. They are gossips, slanderers, haters of God, insolent, haughty, boastful, inventors of evil, disobedient to parents, foolish, faithless, heartless, ruthless. Though they know God's decree that those who practice such things deserve to die, they not only do them but give approval to those who practice them. " - Romans 1:28-32

"But now I am writing to you not to associate with anyone who bears the name of brother if he is guilty of sexual immorality or greed, or is an idolater, reviler, drunkard, or swindler—not even to eat with such a one." - 1 Corinthians 5:11

"Flee from sexual immorality. Every other sin a person commits is outside the body, but the sexually immoral person sins against his own body." - 1 Corinthians 6:18


You were saying? O_o

So they're not even supposed to talk to gay people? I don't know of any Christians who practice that. And that can be really bad for business. They actually have to ask if someone is gay before they associate with them? How about people who fornicate and are adulterous and masturbate and other forms of "sexual immorality?" Do they avoid associating with them too?

lol Those Christian business owners brought about their own demise. Don't feel sorry for bigots who try to peddle their bigotry off as ''religious freedom.'' Now, those business owners shouldn't be forced to offer their company services to anyone, but they shouldn't be surprised by the backlash they received. Maybe if this were 1930, they'd have bigotry in their favor, but the culture is somewhat divided, and bigots aren't winning anymore, like they used to. Bigots stand out for what they are, it's not just ''business as usual,'' anymore. There was also a time when African Americans couldn't eat in the same restaurants as white people, etc. Where do these Christian business owners draw the line? If they own bakeries, do they not bake cakes for hetero people who are having sex outside of marriage, etc? Do they give people a questionnaire before they agree to bake a cake for them?

Probably not. But, as the case with most hetero Christians, they seem to think that homosexuality is worse than hetero sins. Nope, don't feel all that sorry for people who discriminate against gay people.

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(Nov 23, 2017 05:48 PM)Magical Realist Wrote:

(Nov 23, 2017 09:13 AM)Syne Wrote:

(Nov 23, 2017 08:15 AM)Magical Realist Wrote:

(Nov 23, 2017 07:35 AM)Syne Wrote:

(Nov 23, 2017 05:57 AM)Leigha Wrote: Even if Starbucks is targeting a gay audience, or trying to bring positive awareness to the LGBT community through their cups, etc.. who cares? People get offended over such odd things, anymore.

People who have been put out of business for their religious beliefs, people who could be forced to officiate/participate in gay weddings, and people who have already seen the slippery slope proven to be true...just to name a few.

Where in the Bible does it say Christians can't do business with gay people? I've been studying religion for many years and have never heard of that belief until gay people started asking for wedding cakes. Sounds made up to me.

"...participate in gay weddings..."

Or is tacitly condoning something you believe immoral A-okay in whatever passes for morality with you?
Would you force someone to make a Nazi cake? O_o

"If anyone does not obey ... have nothing to do with him, that he may be ashamed. Do not regard him as an enemy, but warn him as a brother. " - 2 Thessalonians 3:14-15

"And since they did not see fit to acknowledge God, God gave them up to a debased mind to do what ought not to be done. They were filled with all manner of unrighteousness, evil, covetousness, malice. They are full of envy, murder, strife, deceit, maliciousness. They are gossips, slanderers, haters of God, insolent, haughty, boastful, inventors of evil, disobedient to parents, foolish, faithless, heartless, ruthless. Though they know God's decree that those who practice such things deserve to die, they not only do them but give approval to those who practice them. " - Romans 1:28-32

"But now I am writing to you not to associate with anyone who bears the name of brother if he is guilty of sexual immorality or greed, or is an idolater, reviler, drunkard, or swindler—not even to eat with such a one." - 1 Corinthians 5:11

"Flee from sexual immorality. Every other sin a person commits is outside the body, but the sexually immoral person sins against his own body." - 1 Corinthians 6:18


You were saying? O_o

So they're not even supposed to talk to gay people? I don't know of any Christians who practice that. And that can be really bad for business. They actually have to ask if someone is gay before they associate with them? How about people who fornicate and are adulterous and masturbate and other forms of "sexual immorality?" Do they avoid associating with them too?

I should've read your reply first.    

Meanwhile, Jesus ate with ''sinners.'' But, I guess some Christians think they know better than the One they follow.

How tragic that there are people who compare gay people marrying those they love, in a private/secular ceremony, to Nazis.