(Jan 15, 2019 02:42 PM)Secular Sanity Wrote: [ -> ] (Jan 15, 2019 07:13 AM)Syne Wrote: [ -> ]And? How exactly can you tell if it's sexual desire or reproduction? Just because that's what you consciously feel? Wow, how scientific. 
In order for fusion to even occur something has to bring us together. Even at a cellular level, signaling occurs, e.g. cell attraction, attachment, and recognition. Cells designed to fuse even use migration mechanisms to find partners.
Unlike food, you don’t have to have sex to survive. Hunger is an unpleasant sensation. Appetite is the desire to eat food.
Take for example, something as simple as a piece of fruit. Fruits entice animals. It is good for food and pleasant to the eye. Its main function is to be desirable to increase its chances of being eaten and transported.
A sexually-reproducing species does need sex to survive, and if you deny the impetus to survive as a species, you are denying basic evolution and the whole reason we are capable of having civilized, cooperative societies.
Perhaps more Darwinian than survival of the individually fittest is the thought that it is more important for evolution that the species survives. If selfishness divides, causes conflict and and kills collaboration, then individuals are effectively at war with the species, removing competitors and hoarding resources for their own use. In its eventual form, this leads to a fragile system that cannot cope with change (as perhaps has been seen in some companies).
Yet we are a social species and can be very altruistic. We have found along the way that working together helps us in many ways, from sharing resources to playing to one another's strengths. We will help strangers and even sacrifice ourselves for the greater good. This is the genetic force for survival of the species that we have developed over time.
- http://changingminds.org/explanations/ev...pecies.htm
Hunger is a synonym for appetite, and at best only distinguished as the biological counterpart to a mental state.
hun·ger
a feeling of discomfort or weakness caused by lack of food, coupled with the desire to eat.
Yes, it's trivial that plants take advantage of an animal's need to eat and that somethings are more pleasant in competition with others. That is the plant's
reproductive strategy. Or do you somehow believe that the plant finds pleasure in producing appealing fruit?
Quote:Don’t take this the wrong way. I’m not flirting with you. Capeesh? Think about it this way dumb(_i_).
It’s not a chicken or egg type question. If evolution is about preserving and acquiring information needed for survival, the desire to 'know' you is first and foremost. The desire to come together precedes replication. And that, my dear, is all that was needed.
Flirting? Wow, that must be a parapraxis, as no one implied or inferred you were flirting. Why on earth would you assume anyone thought you were flirting? O_o
So you're argument is that it's "not a chicken or egg type question" but "desire...
precedes replication"? Make up your mind.
In evolution, the order of current mating behaviors have nothing to do with how they developed and the underlying biological imperative for the behavior. There was obviously sexual-reproduction in species that derived no pleasure from it. This tells us that reproduction is more fundamental than desire. Desire is only grafted on top of the reproducing instinct. Otherwise, sexually-reproducing evolution would never have occurred at all.
Try using your brain for more than a point scoring abacus.
(Jan 15, 2019 03:14 PM)Leigha Wrote: [ -> ]I imagine some people believe they were born gay, and others believe that it's a choice. Some people identify as bi-sexual, what to make of them? i have gay friends who don't believe they ''always knew'' that they were gay. Either way, maybe we don't know enough to really say with certainty, what ''causes'' someone to be straight or gay. Do you come from a religious/faith-based point of view, to reach your conclusions?
So you're completely unaware of which one is the overwhelming cultural narrative, huh? Well, some people do live under rocks.
Not "always knowing" has nothing to do with whether they think they were born gay. Most seem to assume, it was always that way, it just took them time to come to terms with.
I come from a science view to reach my conclusions, as the many scientific citations I provide for my arguments (and the pittance in response) can attest.
