Capitol breach in perspective

[Syne]

Remember in 2011 when tens of thousands of Democrats surged on the Wisconsin Capitol building in Madison and physically occupied it for more than two weeks? We were told, "This is what democracy looks like."

Remember in 2016 when Obama was President and hundreds of BLM blocked interstate highways and violently accosted police (even killing several)? We were told, "To assign the actions of one person to an entire movement is dangerous and irresponsible."

Remember in 2018 during the Kavanaugh hearings when a mob of Democrats stormed the U.S. Supreme Court building in Washington, DC, and pounded their fists in rage on the door. We were told, "It's understandable."

Remember this summer's riots in major cities across the country when groups of Democrats marched in the streets, set buildings on fire, looted businesses, assaulted and even killed bystanders and police? We were told, "These are mostly peaceful protests."

Remember when Democrats seized several blocks of the Capitol Hill neighborhood in downtown Seattle, declaring it an autonomous zone? Remember the guns ad deaths and utter destruction? We were told, "It's a block party atmosphere."

Remember when a crazed mob gathered after the Republican National Convention and attacked Rand Paul, a sitting U.S. Senator? We were told, "No justice, no peace."

Remember how police were told to stand down, governors refused to call in the national guard, and Democrats paid bail for violent protesters who were arrested? We were told, "This is the only way oppressed people can be heard."

I have condemned violent protests and lawlessness every single time they've been reported. I condemn the actions of those who stormed the Capitol yesterday. But I refuse to condemn hundreds of thousands of peaceful protestors because a handful (52 arrested) chose to be lawless and to defy everything the vast majority of the crowd stood for. Conservatives are defenders of the Constitution, the police, and the rule of law. Because a relative few people decided to do something stupid doesn't nullify the concerns of the many.

The real culprit here? The mainstream media has been telling us for years that violence is the only way people who feel oppressed can be heard, it's the only way to get justice, and this is what democracy looks like. Apparently, a few who were in the crowd on Wednesday listened to them.
The inflammatory rhetoric of the Left caused this, and it's about time Democrats and the mainstream media took responsibility for dividing Americans and attempting to humiliate those who support the President or any conservative ideals. They have pushed people to the brink, even while claiming, "It's time for unity." It's time for careful reflection and change on all sides. God help us!
https://www.facebook.com/wesleyanresista...1540662043

[C C]

[...] The real culprit here? The mainstream media has been telling us for years that violence is the only way people who feel oppressed can be heard, it's the only way to get justice, and this is what democracy looks like. Apparently, a few who were in the crowd on Wednesday listened to them.

The whole summer was one fiery, advertisement for that, including a month-long tolerance for occupation.{*} When the Establishment (journalism, academics, entertainment industry) provides excuses for civil unrest and violence on contingent grounds, and spews on and on about the unpopularity of police and defunding them, other groups get the message (including the blatant signs of weakness). Just needed a little urging from the "Idiot King" (media's caricature) to get things rolling...

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{*} Capitol Hill Autonomous Zone
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capitol_Hi...omous_Zone

[Zinjanthropos]

Don’t know why media is forgiven for reporting false news. Even if ‘dog bites man’ turns out to be the opposite they should be fined.

[Syne]

Don’t know why media is forgiven for reporting false news. Even if ‘dog bites man’ turns out to be the opposite they should be fined.

Fining people would go against the freedom of speech. Among other things, you have the right to lie.

But "forgiven" is the operative word there. They only get away with it because their audience doesn't mind it. Lazy people like being told they're right.

[Magical Realist]

Remember in 2011 when tens of thousands of Democrats surged on the Wisconsin Capitol building in Madison and physically occupied it for more than two weeks? We were told, "This is what democracy looks like."

Remember in 2016 when Obama was President and hundreds of BLM blocked interstate highways and violently accosted police (even killing several)? We were told, "To assign the actions of one person to an entire movement is dangerous and irresponsible." 

Remember in 2018 during the Kavanaugh hearings when a mob of Democrats stormed the U.S. Supreme Court building in Washington, DC, and pounded their fists in rage on the door. We were told, "It's understandable."

Remember this summer's riots in major cities across the country when groups of Democrats marched in the streets, set buildings on fire, looted businesses, assaulted and even killed bystanders and police?  We were told, "These are mostly peaceful protests."

Remember when Democrats seized several blocks of the Capitol Hill neighborhood in downtown Seattle, declaring it an autonomous zone? Remember the guns ad deaths and utter destruction? We were told, "It's a block party atmosphere."

Remember when a crazed mob gathered after the Republican National Convention and attacked Rand Paul, a sitting U.S. Senator? We were told, "No justice, no peace."

Remember how police were told to stand down, governors refused to call in the national guard, and Democrats paid bail for violent protesters who were arrested? We were told, "This is the only way oppressed people can be heard."

I have condemned violent protests and lawlessness every single time they've been reported. I condemn the actions of those who stormed the Capitol yesterday. But I refuse to condemn hundreds of thousands of peaceful protestors because a handful (52 arrested) chose to be lawless and to defy everything the vast majority of the crowd stood for. Conservatives are defenders of the Constitution, the police, and the rule of law. Because a relative few people decided to do something stupid doesn't nullify the concerns of the many.

The real culprit here? The mainstream media has been telling us for years that violence is the only way people who feel oppressed can be heard, it's the only way to get justice, and this is what democracy looks like. Apparently, a few who were in the crowd on Wednesday listened to them.
The inflammatory rhetoric of the Left caused this, and it's about time Democrats and the mainstream media took responsibility for dividing Americans and attempting to humiliate those who support the President or any conservative ideals. They have pushed people to the brink, even while claiming, "It's time for unity." It's time for careful reflection and change on all sides. God help us!
https://www.facebook.com/wesleyanresista...1540662043

John Nolley

"You're blaming the "inflammatory rhetoric of the Left" and the "mianstream media?" OMG, that has to be the most idiotic thing I have ever read. How about holding up a mirror? The inflammatory rhetoric came from the freaking PRESIDENT HIMSELF, and the right-wing media who promoted his lies and conspiracies about a "stolen" election.

This was an entirely predictable result of years of the most divisive president in history ginning up hatred against his opponents and demonizing them at every turn. I don't recall, for example, Presidents Bush (either H.W. or W.) ever spending the amount of time at rallies attacking "the left," threatening to withhold emergency assistance from states and localities due to how they voted (as the current POTUS did!) and I can guarantee if Twitter had been around during their Presidencies, they would not have retweeted QAnon and white nationalist conspiracies tens of thousands of times during their terms.

And suddenly it's THE LEFT's fault? That is one of the richest lies I have ever heard in my entire life. Maybe it's the product of living in a crazy information bubble that one would think that. If so, you're simply part of the problem, not the solution. And if not, if you honestly are aggrieved at "the left" and blaming them for a mob that ransacked the US Capitol, then you're worse than that."

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[Leigha]

It could be too that Covid has made everyone a bit more on edge, even politically, than normal.

[Syne]

John Nolley

"You're blaming the "inflammatory rhetoric of the Left" and the "mianstream media?" OMG, that has to be the most idiotic thing I have ever read. How about holding up a mirror? The inflammatory rhetoric came from the freaking PRESIDENT HIMSELF, and the right-wing media who promoted his lies and conspiracies about a "stolen" election.

This was an entirely predictable result of years of the most divisive president in history ginning up hatred against his opponents and demonizing them at every turn. I don't recall, for example, Presidents Bush (either H.W. or W.) ever spending the amount of time at rallies attacking "the left," threatening to withhold emergency assistance from states and localities due to how they voted (as the current POTUS did!) and I can guarantee if Twitter had been around during their Presidencies, they would not have retweeted QAnon and white nationalist conspiracies tens of thousands of times during their terms.

And suddenly it's THE LEFT's fault? That is one of the richest lies I have ever heard in my entire life. Maybe it's the product of living in a crazy information bubble that one would think that. If so, you're simply part of the problem, not the solution. And if not, if you honestly are aggrieved at "the left" and blaming them for a mob that ransacked the US Capitol, then you're worse than that."

https://www.facebook.com/wesleyanresista...1540662043

Nope, that bullshit ain't flying here, moron. The right largely remains where it has been for a decade, while it's only the left that has swung wildly ever leftward. Only the intellectually dishonest will whine about accusations of election fraud while simultaneously refusing to look at, mush less refute, any of the evidence. There's nothing divisive about calling out the leftist lies...except to the liars. Bush didn't do so because they were no where near as bold and defamatory. After all, the positions of today's median Democrat are about twice as far from those of Obama, in his first term, than Obama's were from the median Republican's at the time. Leftist states hadn't ruined their own economies and presumed all the others would bail them out either. And you don't want to get started on what people on the left tacitly and explicitly support.

Nothing sudden at all about the left getting increasingly unhinged. They've lied so much they have no idea what the truth looks like, much less reality. There is no right-wing "information bubble". There literally can't be, as everyone on the right is bombarded with leftist views and agenda daily...while the same cannot be said of the left-wing. The left can go months without ever hearing a right-wing perspective outside of another leftist framing it (or outright lying) to suit their preexisting bias. Anyone who says this bullshit about a right-wing bubble only demonstrates they have no clue, due to their own.

The only solution the left accepts is the final solution, where everyone agrees with them. And all this after over a year of repeatedly excusing way more criminality. These people are too stupid to even realize what hypocrites they are.

[Syne]

Man Arrested Outside Capitol Black Lives Matter Supporter, Not Trump Supporter: Family

A man arrested in Washington amid the protests and riots at the U.S. Capitol is not a supporter of President Donald Trump, his father and stepfather said.

“He is not a Trumpster,” Andrew Hanselman told MLive.com of his stepson Logan Grimes, 25. “Not a MAGA (Make America Great Again) person.”

“We’re a very progressive liberal family … if there’s any reason my son was even present, it’s because of his stand against what a lot of those folks who did horrible things yesterday,” father Robert Grimes added to the Detroit Free Press.

A number of those arrested for storming the Capitol were identified as Trump supporters but at least several are openly against Trump. One is a Black Lives Matter activist.

Grimes has also been active in the Black Lives Matter movement, his family said.

According to arrest records, Grimes was booked on charges including carrying a pistol without a license, possession of a large capacity ammunition feeding device, and possession of unregistered ammunition.

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Left-Wing Activist Encouraged Intruders Inside Capitol, Urged Police to Leave Post

John Sullivan, videographer and founder of “a group for racial justice and police reform,” posted a video on YouTube on Jan. 7 that shows him entering the Capitol building in Washington with a group of Trump supporters and possibly others on the previous day. He’s heard on video encouraging others and convincing Capitol police to let the trespassers through at several impasses. The video also reveals further details about the situation that led to the death of Ashley Babbitt, an Air Force veteran shot inside the building by Capitol Police.

Sullivan is known for taking part in protests and riots connected with the Black Lives Matter movement, which was founded by Marxist organizers.

In July, he was arrested in Utah for alleged rioting, making a threat of violence, and criminal mischief due to his part in a protest that resulted in the shooting of a motorist.

“As a protest organizer, John Sullivan is heard talking about seeing the shooting, looking at the gun, and seeing smoke coming from it. John did not condemn the attempted murder nor attempt to stop it nor aide in its investigation by police,” the police affidavit said, Desert News reported.

“An armed revolution is the only way to bring about change effectively,” he said in a Dec. 28 tweet.

On Jan. 2, Sullivan wrote in a tweet: “[Expletive] The System – Time To Burn It All Down. #blm #antifa #burn #[expletive]thesystem #abolishcapitalism #abolishthepolice #acab #[expletive]trump.”