Election fraud

[Leigha]

Again, who's reporting that? Are there statements on the record, or just anonymous reports?
You're so eager to accept voter fraud and disenfranchisement.

The optics of all of this, leaves one believing that Biden will be taking office in January. I believe there was voter fraud but not necessarily on a wide scale basis, enough to tip the election. To keep Trump in office would take multiple electors, and from what I've been reading, doesn't seem likely. Of course I don't want to see Biden become the POTUS unfairly, and there is reasonable doubt that all votes going to him were legal. By powers that be, I'm referring to mainly the Democrats who seem to be controlling the narrative.

The optics are what you get from your own chosen sources for news. That's on you. I've posted plenty of evidence already that would be sufficient to erase Biden's lead in many states. The Democrat legacy media (but I repeat myself) are not the Republican controlled legislatures in all these states who have the final, constitutional say in who is chosen as electors. I posted earlier showing that there is historical precedence for legislatures ignoring the popular vote, especially when they believe it has been compromised.

The leftist media is going all out to demoralize Republicans. If you let them gaslight you, you have only yourself to blame.

So are you suggesting that all of the info that MR posts, and any and all MSM information that I've run across is false?  

Do you believe that Trump still has a strong chance at ''winning'' this election?

He's just one among all the other of Trump's sheep out their waving signs and shouting the election was rigged. I see these red faced people with their signs and caps and wonder how such people manage to live so out of touch with reality. It's really sad to see such delusional denialism among grown people. I guess even with Biden in the white house they still won't believe it. They'll seal themselves up in their little alt right bubbles and fritter away their lives in resentment and vitriolic hatred.

I think it's fine to accept some of the reports about fraud as factual, but those reports are being derailed from the MSM reports of fraud. (or so it seems) And so it just makes me wonder what to believe.

All of this sort of begs the question - in general, do mail in ballots benefit one party over the other? (Covid aside)

[Syne]

The optics are what you get from your own chosen sources for news. That's on you. I've posted plenty of evidence already that would be sufficient to erase Biden's lead in many states. The Democrat legacy media (but I repeat myself) are not the Republican controlled legislatures in all these states who have the final, constitutional say in who is chosen as electors. I posted earlier showing that there is historical precedence for legislatures ignoring the popular vote, especially when they believe it has been compromised.

The leftist media is going all out to demoralize Republicans. If you let them gaslight you, you have only yourself to blame.

So are you suggesting that all of the info that MR posts, and any and all MSM information that I've run across is false?  

Do you believe that Trump still has a strong chance at ''winning'' this election?

It's not an either/or situation. There can be fraud and also courts unwilling to hear the evidence. The legacy media has, thus far, only done fact checks by asking the very people who would have had a hand in the fraud. That's like asking a rapist if he raped someone.

I've never said that Trump had a "strong" chance at winning. Just too many variables. At this point it's highly dependent upon how much of a spine these Republican-held state legislatures have, and so far, it looks like they're quick to revert to their previous, gelatinous state.

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So are you suggesting that all of the info that MR posts, and any and all MSM information that I've run across is false?  

Do you believe that Trump still has a strong chance at ''winning'' this election?

He's just one among all the other of Trump's sheep out their waving signs and shouting the election was rigged. I see these red faced people with their signs and caps and wonder how such people manage to live so out of touch with reality. It's really sad to see such delusional denialism among grown people. I guess even with Biden in the White House they still won't believe it. They'll seal themselves up in their little alt right bubbles and fritter away their lives in resentment and vitriolic hatred.

Says the guy who believes in all manner of UFOs, ghosts, etc. and insists there was zero irregularities in an election with unprecedented turnout and mail-in voting.

If all legal options are exhausted, Republicans won't start rioting, looting, and burning stuff...and we all know Democrats will if they lose. Republicans by and large will accept the fact that they need to be more vigilant with future elections, see the lawsuits through, to address election security and confidence, sweep Congress in the midterm, and retake the WH in 2024. You won't here all this "not my president/leave the US" bullshit...except to troll the left over their past behavior.

[Magical Realist]

If all legal options are exhausted, Republicans won't start rioting, looting, and burning stuff...and we all know Democrats will if they lose.

You're equating democrats with anarchists. They're not the same, any more than republicans are white supremacists. Anarchists use any excuse they can get to inflict property damage and to riot. When we lost the election in 2016 democrats didn't go out and destroy things. That was the anarchists and rioters, if it happened at all.

[Syne]

If all legal options are exhausted, Republicans won't start rioting, looting, and burning stuff...and we all know Democrats will if they lose.

You're equating democrats with anarchists. They're not the same, any more than republicans are white supremacists. Anarchists use any excuse they can get to inflict property damage and to riot.

No, I'm equating Democrats with antifa and BLM who admitted to voting Democrat. Even those who self-identify as anarchists largely vote Democrat, if at all. But pretending that looters, rioters, and arsonists don't ally themselves with Democrats, or vice versa, while Democrat majors and governors have refused to prosecute them, even to the extent of abandoning police precincts and entire city blocks, is being oblivious to realty.

And considering you've equated Republicans with "racist, misogynistic, homophobic, islamophobic, nativist, xenophobic, tax-evading, gun-toting a-holes", you're a blatant hypocrite.

Says the official party of racist, misogynistic, homophobic, islamophobic, nativist, xenophobic, tax-evading, gun-toting a-holes.

When we lost the election in 2016 democrats didn't go out and destroy things. That was the anarchists and rioters, if it happened at all.

Anti-Trump protests, some violent, erupt for 3rd night nationwide Nov 11, 2016

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_o...t-election

Tens of Thousands Protest Trump Election Victory, 124 Arrested Nov 10, 2016

Anti-Trump protesters march for 3rd night; Portland police call it a 'riot' Nov 11, 2016

Protests against Donald Trump’s win turn violent
President-elect says demonstrations “very unfair” amid riots in Portland and marches in cities on East and West Coasts.



You were saying? o_O

[Magical Realist]

Even those who self-identify as anarchists largely vote Democrat, if at all. But pretending that looters, rioters, and arsonists don't ally themselves with Democrats, or vice versa, while Democrat majors and governors have refused to prosecute them, even to the extent of abandoning police precincts and entire city blocks, is being oblivious to realty

"Originally Answered: Is an anarchist more likely to vote Democrat or Republican? Why?

Anarchists don't vote in elections. The differences between the Democrats and Republicans are so infinitesimally small, on issues that anarchists care about, that to us they're basically the same, and both just part of one institution - state power.

Anarchists have no stake in state-elections, and generally anarchists view cooperation with the state as a fundamental betrayal of anarchist principles. Anarchists pursue their political and social goals using other tools - it is impossible to do away with the state by participating in the spectacles it uses to legitimize itself - the state cannot be reformed away."

https://www.quora.com/Is-an-anarchist-mo...blican-Why

[Syne]

Even those who self-identify as anarchists largely vote Democrat, if at all. But pretending that looters, rioters, and arsonists don't ally themselves with Democrats, or vice versa, while Democrat majors and governors have refused to prosecute them, even to the extent of abandoning police precincts and entire city blocks, is being oblivious to realty

"Originally Answered: Is an anarchist more likely to vote Democrat or Republican? Why?

Anarchists don't vote in elections. The differences between the Democrats and Republicans are so infinitesimally small, on issues that anarchists care about, that to us they're basically the same, and both just part of one institution - state power.

Anarchists have no stake in state-elections, and generally anarchists view cooperation with the state as a fundamental betrayal of anarchist principles. Anarchists pursue their political and social goals using other tools - it is impossible to do away with the state by participating in the spectacles it uses to legitimize itself - the state cannot be reformed away."

https://www.quora.com/Is-an-anarchist-mo...blican-Why

Quora? Really? o_O

I’m an Anarchist and I Vote

Anarchists, It Is Our Duty To Vote In Elections

To Vote or Not to Vote: For Anarchists, Is There Only One True Way?

The idea that all 'true anarchists' don't support voting is also false. Notably, Noam Chomsky, one of the most prominent modern
anarchists, supports voting. And Crimethinc, a well-known collective in anarchist circles, promoted the "don't just vote" position in a 2004 political campaign, encouraging direct action as a more effective activist strategy, while avoiding getting mired in the 'vote/don't vote' debate entirely by stating that it is simply the least effective strategy to have a say in society.

Again, you were saying? o_O


Or it might have been your illiteracy that missed the "if at all".

Either way, you ignored the obvious fact that, whether anarchists ally with Democrats, Democrats definitely ally with anarchists.

[Magical Realist]

https://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/PO2008/S...t-vote.htm

"Famed French anarchist, Elisee Reclus, put it well when he said : “Everything that can be said about the suffrage may be summed up in a sentence. To vote is to give up your own power. To elect a master or many, for a long or short time, is to resign one’s liberty… Instead of entrusting the defense of your interests to others, see to the matter
by yourselves. Instead of trying to choose advisers that will guide you in future actions, do the thing yourselves, and do it now!…. Don’t vote!”

"While most anarchists firmly oppose voting, or otherwise participating in the state institution, there are a few that disagree. The prominent anarchist Pierre-Joseph Proudhon stood for election to the French Constituent Assembly twice in 1848. In the 1890s, Paul Brousse developed the concept of libertarian municipalism in Switzerland which involved participating in local elections. Anarchists have opposed voting for multiple reasons. Taking part in elections has historically resulted in radicals becoming part of the system they oppose rather than ending it.[86] Voting acknowledges the state's legitimacy."-- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Issues_in_...CrimethInc.

Angry not apathetic: what anarchists do instead of voting - Anarchist Federation

https://libcom.org/book/export/html/54309

[Syne]

https://www.youtube-nocookie.com/embed/zQSZQYvM_M0

[C C]

"Originally Answered: Is an anarchist more likely to vote Democrat or Republican? Why?

Anarchists don't vote in elections. The differences between the Democrats and Republicans are so infinitesimally small, on issues that anarchists care about, that to us they're basically the same, and both just part of one institution - state power.

Anarchists have no stake in state-elections, and generally anarchists view cooperation with the state as a fundamental betrayal of anarchist principles. Anarchists pursue their political and social goals using other tools - it is impossible to do away with the state by participating in the spectacles it uses to legitimize itself - the state cannot be reformed away."

https://www.quora.com/Is-an-anarchist-mo...blican-Why

Just to keep all the varieties of anarchism straight, an individual would have to be one fixated, continental intellectual incessantly studying, writing, and lecturing about the countless distinct factions subsumed under left-libertarianism, libertarian socialism, and the other umbrella categories participating in "antifa" and general activism slash rioting. Most of this super-refined crap was purely fabricated concept-games that enabled particular academic scholars to make themselves instant experts and knowledge gurus via those very literary inventions of theirs. (Ultimately job security and political-cult-leader-wannabe syndrome rather than any genuine, non-exploitive passion.)

I suspect most of those manifesting themselves in public are faux anarchists using that orientation as a colorful facade (either that or personal hypocrisy and roguishness is actually a widespread norm rather than an eccentric trait). Since the vocal, non-private ones do encourage people to vote for one candidate or party over another, and mass protests (peaceful/violent) are themselves are an exhibition of disapproval or promotional favoritism. The incidents spurring the riotous type are just inevitable catalysts or excuses they're waiting for to come along.

Do anarchists vote in state elections?: I'm always staggered by the absurdity of anarchists stumping for politicians... Every time election season is approaching, certain self-proclaimed anarchists flood anarchist spaces on social media to shame us into voting. They always make dramatic moralist claims like "If you don't vote for this politician, their opponent will put my life in danger. If you don't support this "progressive" ruler, you obviously don't care about (insert marginalized group) and are no comrade of mine!"

[...] It obviously depends on the individual anarchist whether or not they choose to participate in the political process, but I'm writing this piece to point out that the act of voting in state elections stands in direct contradiction with anarchy. If an anarchist chooses to vote, that action has nothing to do with furthering anarchy or anarchist principles. No anarchist worth their salt would pressure other anarchists into voting for their favorite politician.

(EDIT) Another way to put it: Political orientations revolve around either change or maintenance (status quo), so anarchism would be an impotent viewpoint if it lacked an agenda to bring about revolution. That means going rogue as individuals and advocating voting or outright participating in the voting process in the beginning, in order to advance incrementally toward elimination of state or vote for candidates/parties that would eventually destabilize a country and bring about the chaos or collapse necessary to seize power and then ironically dissolve such. Pure anarchy isn't possible since to prevent governments from arising there must conflictingly be a dominant organization in place to monitor and eradicate their emergence. That's why it's usually combined with other schools of thought (like socialism) and is little more than a flashy word-ornament to attract nihilist youth and disillusioned adults as new recruits. A "private" anarchist who adheres to principle is essentially a useless one.

[Magical Realist]

Boooya! And reality comes crashing down on MAGA!

U.S. Supreme Court rejects GOP bid to overturn Biden's victory in Pennsylvania

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/supreme-cou...n-results/

"Washington — The U.S. Supreme Court on Tuesday spurned a request from Republican allies of President Trump to decertify Pennsylvania's election results, foreclosing hopes from Mr. Trump and his backers that the justices would help deliver him a second term in the White House.

In a one-line unsigned order, the high court left intact a decision from the Pennsylvania Supreme Court that tossed out a lawsuit led by Republican Congressman Mike Kelly challenging a 2019 law that expanded mail-in voting in the state.

"The application for injunctive relief presented to Justice Alito and by him referred to the Court is denied," the order said.: