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Nov 23, 2020 09:43 PM
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(Nov 23, 2020 08:14 PM)Magical Realist Wrote: Quote:No, again, there's no reason to postulate a conspiracy where simple human nature will suffice. Leftists all have individual motives to deny any and all election irregularities and can act on them independently of any coordination whatsoever. Leftists know they have no principles and thus fear other leftists did actually cheat.
Do you have some evidence that all leftists cheat and think other leftists cheat? Do you have evidence that is what they did in this election? That is quite a claim. And yes, that is still a conspiracy theory. It is a sinister and ubiquitous "they" that is projected everywhere in general but encountered nowhere in particular.
It's in the very nature of their/your ideology. Moral relativism inexorably excuses the ends justifying the means, as it has no guiding principles beyond what the individual wants. In this case, individual leftists want Biden to win, at any cost. The evidence is the many people that said they'd vote for Biden even though they believed the sexual assault allegations, his declining mental capacity, and his past support of racists...including Kamala. Oh, they try to justify it with excuses about stopping fascism, but there's been zero evidence of that...and ample evidence that the antifa/BLM leftists are the fascists.
There's also scientific studies that belief in god and freewill are both correlated with honesty and that lack thereof is correlated with cheating. And we know leftists are covering things up because Warren and Klobuchar were both very concerned about election security at one point. This from Warren last year:
The harsh truth is that our elections are extremely vulnerable to attack: Forty-two states use voter registration databases that are more than a decade old. Laughably, in 2019, some still use Windows 2000 and Windows XP. Twelve states still use paperless machines, meaning there’s no paper trail to verify vote counts. Some states don’t require post-election audits. And ten states don’t train election officials to deal with cybersecurity threats. This is a national security threat, and three years after a hostile foreign power literally attacked our democracy, we’ve done far too little to address it.
https://medium.com/@teamwarren/my-plan-t...67ec1bcd3c
So leftists went from being very concerned about election fraud to insisting it never happens.
There's no conspiracy in bad people doing bad things to get what they want. It's a story as old as history.
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Nov 23, 2020 10:06 PM
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(Nov 23, 2020 09:43 PM)Syne Wrote: (Nov 23, 2020 08:14 PM)Magical Realist Wrote: Quote:No, again, there's no reason to postulate a conspiracy where simple human nature will suffice. Leftists all have individual motives to deny any and all election irregularities and can act on them independently of any coordination whatsoever. Leftists know they have no principles and thus fear other leftists did actually cheat.
Do you have some evidence that all leftists cheat and think other leftists cheat? Do you have evidence that is what they did in this election? That is quite a claim. And yes, that is still a conspiracy theory. It is a sinister and ubiquitous "they" that is projected everywhere in general but encountered nowhere in particular.
It's in the very nature of their/your ideology. Moral relativism inexorably excuses the ends justifying the means, as it has no guiding principles beyond what the individual wants. In this case, individual leftists want Biden to win, at any cost. The evidence is the many people that said they'd vote for Biden even though they believed the sexual assault allegations, his declining mental capacity, and his past support of racists...including Kamala. Oh, they try to justify it with excuses about stopping fascism, but there's been zero evidence of that...and ample evidence that the antifa/BLM leftists are the fascists.
There's also scientific studies that belief in god and freewill are both correlated with honesty and that lack thereof is correlated with cheating. And we know leftists are covering things up because Warren and Klobuchar were both very concerned about election security at one point. This from Warren last year:
The harsh truth is that our elections are extremely vulnerable to attack: Forty-two states use voter registration databases that are more than a decade old. Laughably, in 2019, some still use Windows 2000 and Windows XP. Twelve states still use paperless machines, meaning there’s no paper trail to verify vote counts. Some states don’t require post-election audits. And ten states don’t train election officials to deal with cybersecurity threats. This is a national security threat, and three years after a hostile foreign power literally attacked our democracy, we’ve done far too little to address it.
https://medium.com/@teamwarren/my-plan-t...67ec1bcd3c
So leftists went from being very concerned about election fraud to insisting it never happens.
There's no conspiracy in bad people doing bad things to get what they want. It's a story as old as history.
Once again, projecting traits and character flaws on a group of people but providing no evidence for it. Democrats voting for Biden isn't evidence that they cheated or think others have cheated. It's the same zealotry as can be found amount Republicans, who spawn endless conspiracy theories to justify their hate and demonization of democrats.
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Syne
Nov 23, 2020 10:31 PM
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(Nov 23, 2020 10:06 PM)Magical Realist Wrote: (Nov 23, 2020 09:43 PM)Syne Wrote: It's in the very nature of their/your ideology. Moral relativism inexorably excuses the ends justifying the means, as it has no guiding principles beyond what the individual wants. In this case, individual leftists want Biden to win, at any cost. The evidence is the many people that said they'd vote for Biden even though they believed the sexual assault allegations, his declining mental capacity, and his past support of racists...including Kamala. Oh, they try to justify it with excuses about stopping fascism, but there's been zero evidence of that...and ample evidence that the antifa/BLM leftists are the fascists.
There's also scientific studies that belief in god and freewill are both correlated with honesty and that lack thereof is correlated with cheating. And we know leftists are covering things up because Warren and Klobuchar were both very concerned about election security at one point. This from Warren last year:
The harsh truth is that our elections are extremely vulnerable to attack: Forty-two states use voter registration databases that are more than a decade old. Laughably, in 2019, some still use Windows 2000 and Windows XP. Twelve states still use paperless machines, meaning there’s no paper trail to verify vote counts. Some states don’t require post-election audits. And ten states don’t train election officials to deal with cybersecurity threats. This is a national security threat, and three years after a hostile foreign power literally attacked our democracy, we’ve done far too little to address it.
https://medium.com/@teamwarren/my-plan-t...67ec1bcd3c
So leftists went from being very concerned about election fraud to insisting it never happens.
There's no conspiracy in bad people doing bad things to get what they want. It's a story as old as history.
Once again, projecting traits and character flaws on a group of people but providing no evidence for it. Democrats voting for Biden isn't evidence that they cheated or think others have cheated. It's the same zealotry as can be found amount Republicans, who spawn endless conspiracy theories to justify their hate and demonization of democrats.
Thanks for so quickly illustrating your dishonesty. I never said anything like voting for Biden was, itself, cheating or thinking others had. And you conveniently ignored everything I actually did say. It's also pretty rich for the guy who regularly calls Republicans racists, homophobes, etc. to be projecting that demonization on others.
https://www.youtube-nocookie.com/embed/1atu0js2t7Q
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Nov 23, 2020 11:14 PM
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Michigan board votes to certify election results despite pressure from Trump
https://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/p...390475002/
Pennsylvania Supreme Court rules against Trump's lawsuit:
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/11/23/trump-lo...n-win.html
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Syne
Nov 24, 2020 07:31 AM
Guess what? You don't get a case to the Supreme Court without losing cases in lower courts.
Not the leftists ever know much more than what their bubble media tell them.
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Magical Realist
Nov 24, 2020 06:16 PM
(Nov 24, 2020 07:31 AM)Syne Wrote: Guess what? You don't get a case to the Supreme Court without losing cases in lower courts.
Not the leftists ever know much more than what their bubble media tell them.
Ingenious strategy--intentionally getting their cases thrown out of the lower courts. lol!
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Syne
Nov 24, 2020 07:51 PM
(Nov 24, 2020 06:16 PM)Magical Realist Wrote: (Nov 24, 2020 07:31 AM)Syne Wrote: Guess what? You don't get a case to the Supreme Court without losing cases in lower courts.
Not that leftists ever know much more than what their bubble media tell them.
Ingenious strategy--intentionally getting their cases thrown out of the lower courts. lol!
Not ingenious at all. Just common legal practice. You either get a ruling in your favor or you seek redress in a higher court.
No one intentionally gets a case thrown out. They would have been happy with a win too.
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Nov 25, 2020 12:49 AM
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Pennsylvania officially certifies Biden's victory in the presidential election...
https://www.azfamily.com/news/us_world_n...1zFaIezlpQ
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Syne
Nov 25, 2020 12:55 AM
Still a ways out from from the Dec 8th safe harbor deadline and the Dec 12th elector vote.
Certified results don't mean much unless a state has settled all legal disputes by Dec 8th.
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Nov 25, 2020 07:08 PM
https://www.youtube-nocookie.com/embed/QMVWnoZBBsU
So they seem to have allowed election workers to avoid answering which party they represent, in order to avoid having equal representation by each party.
https://www.youtube-nocookie.com/embed/4103AcM6yoc
Smartmatic is the software used in Dominion voting machines.
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