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The tragedy of covid 19 long haulers

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Magical Realist Offline
https://www.health.harvard.edu/blog/the-...0101521173

"Suppose you are suddenly are stricken with COVID-19. You become very ill for several weeks. On awakening every morning, you wonder if this day might be your last.

And then you begin to turn the corner. Every day your worst symptoms — the fever, the terrible cough, the breathlessness — get a little better. You are winning, beating a life-threatening disease, and you no longer wonder if each day might be your last. In another week or two, you’ll be your old self.

But weeks pass, and while the worst symptoms are gone, you’re not your old self — not even close. You can’t meet your responsibilities at home or at work: no energy. Even routine physical exertion, like vacuuming, leaves you feeling exhausted. You ache all over. You’re having trouble concentrating on anything, even watching TV; you’re unusually forgetful; you stumble over simple calculations. Your brain feels like it’s in a fog.

Your doctor congratulates you: the virus can no longer be detected in your body. That means you should be feeling fine. But you’re not feeling fine.

The doctor suggests that maybe the terrible experience of being ill with COVID-19 has left you a little depressed, or experiencing a little PTSD. Maybe some psychiatric treatment would help, since there’s nothing wrong with you physically. You try the treatment, and it doesn’t help.

How common are lingering COVID symptoms?

Tens of thousands of people in the United States have such a lingering illness following COVID-19. In the US, we call them post-COVID “long haulers.” In the United Kingdom, they are said to be suffering from “long COVID.”

Published studies (see here and here) and surveys conducted by patient groups indicate that 50% to 80% of patients continue to have bothersome symptoms three months after the onset of COVID-19 — even after tests no longer detect virus in their body.

Which lingering symptoms are common?

The most common symptoms are fatigue, body aches, shortness of breath, difficulty concentrating, inability to exercise, headache, and difficulty sleeping. Since COVID-19 is a new disease that began with an outbreak in China in December 2019, we have no information on long-term recovery rates.

Who is more likely to become a long hauler?

Currently, we can’t accurately predict who will become a long hauler. As a recent article in Science notes, people only mildly affected by COVID-19 still can have lingering symptoms, and people who were severely ill can be back to normal two months later. However, continued symptoms are more likely to occur in people over age 50, people with two or three chronic illnesses, and people who became very ill with COVID-19.

There is no formal definition of the term “post-COVID long haulers.” In my opinion, a reasonable definition would be anyone diagnosed with the coronavirus that causes COVID-19, or very likely to have been infected by it, who has not returned to their pre-COVID-19 level of health and function after six months.

Long-haulers include two groups of people affected by the virus:

Those who experience some permanent damage to their lungs, heart, kidneys, or brain that may affect their ability to function.

Those who continue to experience debilitating symptoms despite no detectable damage to these organs.
Dr. Anthony Fauci, director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases at the National Institutes of Health, has speculated that many in the second group will develop a condition called myalgic encephalomyelitis/chronic fatigue syndrome (ME/CFS). ME/CFS can be triggered by other infectious illnesses — such as mononucleosis, Lyme disease, and severe acute respiratory syndrome (SARS), another coronavirus disease. The National Academy of Medicine estimates there are one million to two million people in the US with ME/CFS.

Dr. Tedros Ghebreyesus, director of the World Health Organization, also has expressed growing concern about the chronic illnesses that may follow in the wake of COVID-19, including ME/CFS.

What might cause the symptoms that plague long haulers?

Research is underway to test several theories. People with ME/CFS, and possibly the post-COVID long haulers, may have an ongoing low level of inflammation in the brain, or decreased blood flow to the brain, or an autoimmune condition in which the body makes antibodies that attack the brain, or several of these abnormalities.

The bottom line

How many people may become long haulers? We can only guess. Right now, more than seven million Americans have been infected by the virus. It’s not unthinkable that 50 million Americans will ultimately become infected. If just 5% develop lingering symptoms, and if most of those with symptoms have ME/CFS, we would double the number of Americans suffering from ME/CFS in the next two years. Most people who developed ME/CFS before COVID-19 remain ill for many decades. Only time will tell if this proves true for the post-COVID cases of ME/CFS.

For this and many other reasons, the strain on the American health care system and economy from the pandemic will not end soon, even if we develop and deploy a very effective vaccine by the end of 2021.

Virtually every health professional I know believes that the pandemic in the US could and should have been better controlled than it has been. Bad mistakes rarely lead to only temporary damage."
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Syne Offline
(Oct 27, 2020 10:34 PM)Magical Realist Wrote: Which lingering symptoms are common?

The most common symptoms are fatigue, body aches, shortness of breath, difficulty concentrating, inability to exercise, headache, and difficulty sleeping.

Those are common symptoms of about half the people stuck at home in lockdowns, even without Covid.
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Magical Realist Offline
(Oct 28, 2020 02:53 AM)Syne Wrote:
(Oct 27, 2020 10:34 PM)Magical Realist Wrote: Which lingering symptoms are common?

The most common symptoms are fatigue, body aches, shortness of breath, difficulty concentrating, inability to exercise, headache, and difficulty sleeping.

Those are common symptoms of about half the people stuck at home in lockdowns, even without Covid.

Really? Citation please..
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Syne Offline
(Oct 28, 2020 03:22 AM)Magical Realist Wrote:
(Oct 28, 2020 02:53 AM)Syne Wrote:
(Oct 27, 2020 10:34 PM)Magical Realist Wrote: Which lingering symptoms are common?

The most common symptoms are fatigue, body aches, shortness of breath, difficulty concentrating, inability to exercise, headache, and difficulty sleeping.

Those are common symptoms of about half the people stuck at home in lockdowns, even without Covid.

Really? Citation please..

Should be obvious that many people ("half" was just spit-balling), stuck at home, would laze about and feed their faces out of boredom, leading to fatigue, aches, poor concentration, lack of exercise, headaches, and sleeplessness. Even if only from depression. But since you asked:

In short, and perhaps unsurprisingly, people who are quarantined are very likely to develop a wide range of symptoms of psychological stress and disorder, including low mood, insomnia, stress, anxiety, anger, irritability, emotional exhaustion, depression and post-traumatic stress symptoms. Low mood and irritability specifically stand out as being very common, the study notes.
https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2020/04/t...-ignoring/

“Results suggest that the rates of depression symptomatology are three times higher during the pandemic compared to before the pandemic,” said Dr. Brittany LeMonda, senior neuropsychologist at Lenox Hill Hospital, New York City. “Undoubtedly, there are many factors contributing to this increase in mood symptoms, including increased social isolation, economic hardships, and exposure to other stressors.”
https://www.healthline.com/health-news/d...atic-event

"Anxiety, depression and stress are exhausting by their nature. Anxiety feeds on uncertainty and this is rife now - the 'what ifs' are endless," says Dr Jilly Gibson Miller, of the department of psychology at the University of Sheffield. "Although this is a totally normal response to such a threatening situation, these conditions have a huge impact on body and mind - people's ability to concentrate, their motivation and energy levels, and most importantly, their sleep."
https://patient.info/news-and-features/w...-exhausted

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Magical Realist Offline
Quote:Should be obvious that many people ("half" was just spit-balling), stuck at home, would laze about and feed their faces out of boredom, leading to fatigue, aches, poor concentration, lack of exercise, headaches, and sleeplessness. Even if only from depression.-

Depression definitely has its symptoms, not the least of which is just feeling depressed and bored. But they don't include body aches, headaches, and shortness of breath. Definitely some other cause other than just being bored and depressed.
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Syne Offline
Sedentary lifestyle can contribute to gout, back, and neck pain (aches), migraines, and idiopathic pleurisy or deconditioning (shortness of breath).
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Magical Realist Offline
Quote:Sedentary lifestyle can contribute to gout, back, and neck pain (aches), migraines, and idiopathic pleurisy or deconditioning (shortness of breath).

No...sedentary lifestyle doesn't cause body aches, headaches, and shortness of breath. I know this from personal experience. You're just throwing out bullshit now hoping something will stick.
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Syne Offline
If you were smarter, or even had a better memory, you'd know better. I can always support my claims.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sedentary_...th_effects

Deconditioning is an under-recognized side effect of a sedentary lifestyle. This is a big deal because it contributes to a lot of medical conditions, such as arthritis, osteoporosis, depression, anxiety, and pain.
https://thedoctorweighsin.com/rethinking-exercise/

Physical deconditioning-or being out of shape-can cause shortness of breath in people when they try to exercise. Deconditioning is a weakening of the heart and other muscles and decreased heart and blood vessel function as a result of prolonged inactivity.
https://www.healthandwellnessalerts.berk...of-breath/

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Quote:Physical deconditioning-or being out of shape-can cause shortness of breath in people when they try to exercise

Shortness of breath when they exercise, not when they're sedentary. Wow.. so you discovered exercise causes shortness of breath! Again, a sedentary life doesn't cause body aches, headaches, and shortness of breath. You're just making shit up because you don't want to admit covid's lingering and well documented longterm effects.
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Syne Offline
(Oct 28, 2020 06:32 AM)Magical Realist Wrote:
Quote:Physical deconditioning-or being out of shape-can cause shortness of breath in people when they try to exercise

Shortness of breath when they exercise, not when they're sedentary. Again, a sedentary life doesn't cause body aches, headaches, and shortness of breath. You're just making shit up because you don't want to admit covid's lingering and well documented longterm effects.

Learn to read, nitwit. I said caused by sedentary lifestyle, not "when sedentary". But pleurisy (mentioned earlier, which can be caused by pulmonary embolism from excessive sitting: https://www.webmd.com/lung/news/20110705...y-embolism ) causes shortness of breath even when sedentary. And I JUST gave you links for sedentary lifestyle causing aches (arthritis and pain), migraines (on the wiki), and deconditioning (shortness of breath). Just read the citations you asked for...try to display a minimum of intellectual honesty. We're not far enough out from Covid (still happening, with the possibility of reinfection, especially as cases spike again) to have "well-documented long-term effects". Jeez, why do you even try to post on science forums? 9_9
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