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Cosmic cruelty

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zhangjinyuan Offline
When I was a child, I thought of death when I went to the funeral of an old man in the village. The thought that death was forever, the complete disappearance of my self and the absence of existence made my whole body tremble with this incompatible fear

A few years ago, when I turned 30, I felt the same way again, giving up games and entertainment and settling down in the hope of thinking more deeply about this question

People are bound to die

Are there souls and reincarnations after death? I started searching for answers on the Internet, but whether it was soul, reincarnation, consciousness after death, dark matter after death, there was no verifiable argument, and of course, living people don't die and who can prove that this is true

Scientists tell us very bluntly, the high probability of death is gone, the body decay into the earth, the brain produced consciousness is colloquially called thought, also with the brain decay away, this is even the ordinary people should be able to understand, the body and brain die, where there is no thought

With the science and showed me the cruel fact, it makes me very sad, because of the self disappear permanently, there is no more what is more painful, I began to search the same feeling, comfort each other, but then I feel comfort changes nothing is meaningless, search for eternal life, and found that the present technology can't reach, and even longevity medicine, natural and man-made random events may also at any time to our life

I was lost and helpless, and I tried to continue to learn some science

But the crueler truth lies in front of me

Our world is called the universe. The most accepted theory at present is the Big Bang theory. Before our universe was a mass of matter tightly compressed into a point, and it suddenly exploded for unknown reasons

I know we are so small, my village outside has a province, province outside has a country, we are all in the earth, and the earth in the solar system is nothing, and the solar system in the Milky Way is very very small, and the galaxy outside is infinite

From 1 children born under the parents spoil, think oneself as a center, the school just know every child think that, by the society gradually came to know that he was not the center of the world, then found that the human is not dominate, light earth's nature is enough to make people die at any time, let alone the earth in the universe than sand

Not only that, more let I was afraid that the original is not only the life of the people, even the earth there is life, even the sun will devour the earth billions of years later, not only that, even the matter of the universe has destroyed, whether big tear or heat death and collapse, the end of these scientific predictions are told me that on the day of human beings and the whole world has gone

Which makes me even more upset. What is the meaning of the universe and human existence? What is the purpose? The popular answer is simple, meaningless and purposeless

Yes, creatures and humans suddenly come to this world passively, at a loss. If 1 has a purpose at the beginning, for example, there is a villain and BOSS like a game in the solar system, our human's purpose is to defeat it, but if this purpose is achieved, we will not have a goal

So this is the world we live in now. No one tells you that human beings have any purpose or purpose, but only the end result, death and destruction.

We humans are initially in order to survive, then in certain food satisfied when they began to confusion, so they invented all kinds of recreational activities, ball games, chess, sports, literature, games, electronics, power, wealth, trade, politics, are let the human is not the product of boring playing time and extension products, part of the don't want to live a lifetime in the rules of human meanings of invention, and began to study the world, this is the scientist, Galileo, Newton, Einstein and so on, they all want to understand and know the world, even if one day humans discovered the ultimate fate is death, It's still impossible to stop the idea of exploring the world, which is what we mean by purpose and meaning. Maybe humans will never know why this world appears and why it appears. Is there a world outside this world

Looking back, 100 billion people have died, countless lives have died, they have the poor, lovely, beautiful, hateful, despicable, kind, but they are dead, forever and ever, the future will continue to explore the road until the end of humanity, there are countless lives to die

It overwhelmed me

Indeed, human beings in the universe system how small, there is no any special place, but human beings have feelings and thinking ah! Why is life born? Why were humans born? Admittedly, matter does not have any perception, and become life to perceive this world, but the price of life is to perceive this world and then die cruelly! So why give birth to such small things as life and man? This universe is so cruel!

Scientists have said that human is not special, life and human is in the eagle and countless coincidences to be born, which makes me hard to understand, and said that human is a coincidence, and said that human is small, why? Why should man be born to feel the world die so cruelly? This makes me deeply doubt that human beings were born without a coincidence of purpose

But other than doubt, I have no evidence that the world has a purpose. I am too small

I very much hope that I will have another world after my death, or I can see those dead family members dead scientists, dead people! But this is just my wishful thinking, how I wish all the dead were not dead, how good it would be, or my tiniest plea, when I die, if any creator or universe, could tell me the truth about this world?

Why did you create this world?? Why should the birth of life and human beings, every life is so short, and then finally leave this world forever and ever, then the existence of life is to live and live? ?

I hate you the universe, the creator, God, if you exist, can you hear me?

.

But in my pain, I had no good idea, and I thought, if I were a creator of the universe, what kind of world could I design?

Just like now every material thing has a chance to become alive to experience the world and then die forever? bad

Dead all the people will reincarnation into new life, the demise of the universe in the restart of reincarnation? That would be too sad

All life is immortal, is it eternal? But if you don't die for 100 years and you don't die for 1,000 years, if you don't die for 100 billion years, isn't it going to be a lot more painful?

After the creation of this world, there seems to be no perfect solution

Alas, the source of this contradiction is the beginning of this world

I don't know why the world had a big bang. The big bang had no purpose, but it had to have a reason

I really want to know what made the Big Bang, why did it do that...

When I go to sleep at night, I think, what on earth do people want to do? Once people die, they will disappear forever, and all the meaning in life will be gone, which makes me lose the power to live

A lot of people are speculating about the world

Scientists say the Universe came out of the Big Bang, theologians say god made the world, and a lot of idealists say consciousness came out of the world, and we are modeled by higher organisms or virtual computers

Whatever is true, the rest is fantasy, and it seems to have no happy ending for humans, because whether we are headed by the universe, the creator or higher creatures, our future is in their hands and ready to wipe us out

Some people might say what if they were consciously kind? But you think 1, when the first person died in pain, perhaps the creator will pity him, but over the course of hundreds of thousands of years, the creator after seeing countless suffering of life, must also become numb, let alone there is no creator is still a question

Maybe our universe is an experiment, maybe it's a toy for a child of higher living things, maybe it's even more ridiculous that the universe is the spitting image of their world

Some people would say, I died hundreds of millions of years ago at that time, there is no gray left, why care about these

Yes, in any case, the earth and mankind are small, sad, let alone such a trivial person like me,

In fact, human beings should not be born to experience the world. If the rule is that as long as there is a universe, there will be human beings born. This has to make me feel that what is worth being born for such a small thing as human beings

Why do we have this world, why are we born, where are we going?



Maybe there's an answer after death, or maybe death is the eternal release, and there's never an answer
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#2
Secular Sanity Offline
You’re having an existential crisis. It happens to the best of us. Sorry. If there's nothing else, why not enjoy it? Read up on it a little and maybe that will help you.

Good luck.
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confused2 Offline
They say the Earth is about 4.5 billion years old and the Universe is about 14 billion years old. So our little planet has been around for almost a third of the age of the Universe. It is generally held that the galaxies (like ours) formed 'fairly early on' so we (residents of the Milky Way) haven't had much new stuff for (say) 14 billion years.

All the elements except hydrogen and possibly helium were made in stars which must have exploded since these elements are in us not in the original star. One of the most remarkable things I know is that the Earth has an iron core and iron is what you find at the core of a dying star. We aren't just made of stardust - there's huge blob of dead star beneath our feet.

So we're standing on the core of a dead star hoping something a bit special is going to happen to cheer us up.

Is the bottom falling out of your world?
Relax, take Eno's and let the world fall out of your bottom.
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#4
Secular Sanity Offline
Taking a crap isn’t a cure-all, C2. I think that concept died out with bloodletting.

It’s great news, if you’re a bad person, right? No eternal damnation, no one watching you, or reading your mind, etc., but if you’re a good person, it only gets harder from here.

Nietzsche said, "Nothing is true, everything is permitted."

Meaning that the Universe contains no inherent moral facts—no designer, no creator, nothing that can dictate morality. You’re free from all human conventions, too. Well, until you do something that pisses off a bunch of other humans, but ultimately…you're free. YAY! Congratulations!

If you’re good though, then it gets a little tougher because you’ll realize that you’re—well, we’re solely responsible for our actions and the consequence thereof. You can see all the past events, choices, and actions of our ancestors, some good—some not so good.

So, while the bottom of your world may not be falling out—the world did just fall in your lap. Oh, and cheer up. There's the some pretty cool stuff in our universe. Knowing and learning about it doesn't make it any less beautiful.

Time to get busy.

Welcome and best of luck!
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#5
stryder Offline
(This is guaranteed word soup, but it's an awkward thing to write and depict)

I have fallen down that metaphysical rabbit hole before. When younger I considered a generalised PhD, so I concerned myself with contemplation of theocracy. This wasn't because I believed in any of the texts or beliefs that other people have, in fact it was quite the contrary. My considerations where about actually trying to rationalise those beliefs and attest as to whether there was any possibility for such things... The outcome of which is quite literally "No!", I should of course explain it a bit further though than just a simple statement.

I considered the notion of how to build the universe, I don't mean just hypothetically, I actually considered putting some meat and gristle on the table in regards to how a universe could be formed (That's actually a pretty disgusting proposition for a vegan) My interests in science were mainly driven at that time to try and get a better generalised understanding of what could be accomplished.

I rationalised that technically, mankind if it put it's minds together, and it's effort (and forego all the centuries of nihilist oppression-ism) it could actually build the universe from the ground up and it would indeed be a simulation of sorts. I don't mean we'd be a copy stuck in a computer, but we would be an interwoven matrix of multiversal interactions that create the "Universe" that we see as a consensus.
The scale of which could allow multiple worlds to apply their whole worlds supercomputers to produce just one cubic centimetre of vacuum space between them. I considered how it's not just about using multiple universes to bolster the computational power (After all it's technically using the same computer many times over, so there is the potential of quantum entanglement to allow expedient data transition between the manyworlds model)...

I also considered how "versioning of the virtual construct" would be comprised over time. So a given instance of "Now" would actually exist at multiple timepoints of subsequent versions being upgraded and streamlined together. (Imagine if there were 10 versions over a year, with each being subsequently more detailed. All the versions depict the same parameters and events, only in ever increasing detail. From an "impossible observers" position, those myriad of version comprise to act as one singular construct in the "Now".

As I went further down the proverbial rabbit hole though I considered how the computational level of such a simulation comprised of both "folding time" and multiversal quantum shared states would allow for potentally also building very small things in a very big way. How I mean is that the model for a cubic centimetre could be made up of multiple of millions of kilometres of serverfarms. I suppose you could imply it to be a far smaller level than nanotechnology in theory. The practical ideal also considered that rather than using small robots which cost energy and take up space, it would make more sense to interact at the actual level of matters makeup.

This led to a number of quandaries over our existence, even the consideration of how to build life from artificial intelligence constructs with the intention of not just creating life but also applying the goal for it to grow beyond it's initial bounds, to be able to go beyond outside the box.

However this wordy (but rather short in comparison) blurt doesn't give full justice to the absolute depth of consideration gone to. Indeed some would imply it's maddening levels of consideration, perhaps even as far as insanity. Considering the world we live in, the beliefs people have and the odd things people do to each other I'm no less sane than anyone else, even after all going all the way down that rabbit hole and coming all the way back.

I hope one day I'll be able to spit it all out in an orderly fashion so someone can even make the sense I saw of it, out from it, or at the very least find it a rather interesting trip into a novel landscape.
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#6
Zinjanthropos Offline
(Aug 15, 2020 11:52 PM)confused2 Wrote: Is the bottom falling out of your world?
Relax, take Eno's and let the world fall out of your bottom.
https://www.victoriahealth.com/product/E...Salts/6440

That’s a creation story to ponder.  Big Grin

Is a simulation used to discover what happened, what is happening, or what will happen? If someone is viewing the simulated universe then at some point the simulator should appear. Perhaps the simulation is a personal origins thing, someone or some thing can’t figure out where they came from. Jeez, you’d think the theists would be all over this one, although God wouldn’t be quite omniscient.....yet.

What about time? How much of it does a universe simulator have or is the simulator’s time running at a different rate then the simulation? A billion of our years is a couple of minutes to a simulator? It could be that we’re being simulated during a lunch break or as C2 suggests, while on the throne.
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(Aug 17, 2020 07:42 AM)stryder Wrote: (This is guaranteed word soup, but it's an awkward thing to write and depict)

I have fallen down that metaphysical rabbit hole before.  When younger I considered a generalised PhD, so I concerned myself with contemplation of theocracy.  This wasn't because I believed in any of the texts or beliefs that other people have, in fact it was quite the contrary.  My considerations where about actually trying to rationalise those beliefs and attest as to whether there was any possibility for such things... The outcome of which is quite literally "No!", I should of course explain it a bit further though than just a simple statement.

I considered the notion of how to build the universe, I don't mean just hypothetically, I actually considered putting some meat and gristle on the table in regards to how a universe could be formed (That's actually a pretty disgusting proposition for a vegan)  My interests in science were mainly driven at that time to try and get a better generalised understanding of what could be accomplished.

I rationalised that technically, mankind if it put it's minds together, and it's effort (and forego all the centuries of nihilist oppression-ism) it could actually build the universe from the ground up and it would indeed be a simulation of sorts.  I don't mean we'd be a copy stuck in a computer, but we would be an interwoven matrix of multiversal interactions that create the "Universe" that we see as a consensus.
The scale of which could allow multiple worlds to apply their whole worlds supercomputers to produce just one cubic centimetre of vacuum space between them.  I considered how it's not just about using multiple universes to bolster the computational power (After all it's technically using the same computer many times over, so there is the potential of quantum entanglement to allow expedient data transition between the manyworlds model)...

I also considered how "versioning of the virtual construct" would be comprised over time.  So a given instance of "Now" would actually exist at multiple timepoints of subsequent versions being upgraded and streamlined together. (Imagine if there were 10 versions over a year, with each being subsequently more detailed.  All the versions depict the same parameters and events, only in ever increasing detail.  From an "impossible observers" position, those myriad of version comprise to act as one singular construct in the "Now".

As I went further down the proverbial rabbit hole though I considered how the computational level of such a simulation comprised of both "folding time" and multiversal quantum shared states would allow for potentally also building very small things in a very big way.  How I mean is that the model for a cubic centimetre could be made up of multiple of millions of kilometres of serverfarms.  I suppose you could imply it to be a far smaller level than nanotechnology in theory.  The practical ideal also considered that rather than using small robots which cost energy and take up space, it would make more sense to interact at the actual level of matters makeup.

This led to a number of quandaries over our existence, even the consideration of how to build life from artificial intelligence constructs with the intention of not just creating life but also applying the goal for it to grow beyond it's initial bounds, to be able to go beyond outside the box.

However this wordy (but rather short in comparison) blurt doesn't give full justice to the absolute depth of consideration gone to.  Indeed some would imply it's maddening levels of consideration, perhaps even as far as insanity.  Considering the world we live in, the beliefs people have and the odd things people do to each other I'm no less sane than anyone else, even after all going all the way down that rabbit hole and coming all the way back.

I hope one day I'll be able to spit it all out in an orderly fashion so someone can even make the sense I saw of it, out from it, or at the very least find it a rather interesting trip into a novel landscape.

That reminds me of one of Jason Silva’s videos. At the end he says, "They are madmen that somehow have been able to sort of coax and domesticate their madness towards useful ends. This idea of always having functional output. To go to OZ, to tumble down that rabbit hole, and somehow return to tell the tale."


https://www.youtube-nocookie.com/embed/US18sczUnTk
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C C Offline
(Aug 17, 2020 11:33 AM)Zinjanthropos Wrote: [...] What about time? How much of it does a universe simulator have or is the simulator’s time running at a different rate then the simulation? A billion of our years is a couple of minutes to a simulator? It could be that we’re being simulated during a lunch break or as C2 suggests, while on the throne.


Can't recall specifically, but it's probably a lot more than "one day for the Lord" (simulation's creator) equalling a thousand years for us -- or breaking that ratio down to minutes/seconds and beyond.{*}

2 Peter 3:8 (New International Version): But do not forget this one thing, dear friends: With the Lord a day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years are like a day.

The typical simulation hypothesis is arguably a fallacy of recursion, where _X_ is explained by the same situation of _X_.

But that doesn't mean that such is impossible. We've already superficially repeated or computationally nested aspects of this type of world within this type of world. The brain was doing it far less rigorously even long before computers, via dreams. Similarly -- with respect to the specific homunculus argument about perception -- a robot might be built that literally does contain another little robot inside its head that is viewing a movie screen (but the nesting can't technologically repeat endlessly).

The point is that an explanation or provenance hasn't truly been provided until something different is introduced to end such a potential Matryoshka doll like series. Simulation might still be applicable with "something completely different" yielding this world, but it can't involve computers and dependency upon the properties of a material realm. (The latter entails still having to deal with origins for anything within it as well one for itself still hovering around. Due to our persistent, ages-long idiocy of treating "causality" as more fundamental than existence, which often seems to be abiding in "material metaphysics" style thinking.)

- - - footnote - - -

{*} I absent-mindedly wrote that as just the opposite before the edit.
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