Chinese Wuhan Virus

[confused2]

Would China use prisoners as property of the state to conduct tests? Intentionally infect inmates in order to grab some plasma and ship it to wherever?

They already use them as sources of spare parts for organ transplants. So infecting them and them using the ones who recover as sources of immunoglobulins wouldn't be any kind of stretch. I wouldn't be surprised if that's already being done to benefit top communist party officials.

Damn, you're right. 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Organ_harvesting_from_Falun_Gong_practitioners_in_China

The milk and antibodies thing still seems like a good idea.
[not]

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We've shut up shop (we sell non-essential items) for the duration. The economics of how much we might make and the cost of keeping someone (us/customers) on a ventilator for ? days/weeks are quite compelling.

<Meanwhile Chinese Emperor thinks "Glate idea. Let's do it.">

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We've shut up shop (we sell non-essential items) for the duration. The economics of how much we might make and the cost of keeping someone (us/customers) on a ventilator for ? days/weeks are quite compelling.

<Meanwhile Chinese Emperor thinks "Glate idea. Let's do it.">

With "men" going stir-crazy indoors, one would think miniature railroad sets, model airplanes, and various hobby items would be booming. Taking an abrupt turn to becoming necessities.

Oh, too retro, I guess. All those computer-game zombies dominating the scene, instead. And those were once card-players in a smoke filled room back in the day. Yes, a great winning battle over cardiovascular disease that's been transpiring for generations.

[stryder]

Part of the problem is the governments implying that we are on indefinite lock down. Saying that to people drives the hysteria further, pushing people that would be concerned to panic openly and do deranged things in response to the sudden concern of loss of freedom.

What should of been stated and done by the governments is simple:

The virus takes supposedly up to 10 days to manifest itself in people that have been subjected to it. That means if the government had said, "we want you to stay in your houses for the next 14 days and key personnel will deliver free supplies to your households if you do" people might well have been able to handle being isolated for that long and the virus would be starved of people to transfer to.

The problem of course is that it would of taken time to arrange but it would of stopped all the widespread shortages in shops. (I mean why panic buy what's in the stores, if you could just get free stuff staying at home?)

[confused2]

Part of the problem is the governments implying that we are on indefinite lock down. Saying that to people drives the hysteria further, pushing people that would be concerned to panic openly and do deranged things in response to the sudden concern of loss of freedom.

What should of been stated and done by the governments is simple: 

The virus takes supposedly up to 10 days to manifest itself in people that have been subjected to it.  That means if the government had said, "we want you to stay in your houses for the next 14 days and key personnel will deliver free supplies to your households if you do" people might well have been able to handle being isolated for that long and the virus would be starved of people to transfer to. 

The problem of course is that it would of taken time to arrange but it would of stopped all the widespread shortages in shops.  (I mean why panic buy what's in the stores, if you could just get free stuff staying at home?)

Imagine when you have (any) symptoms you go to Amazon and buy a virtual 'I have symptoms','I am ill but don't need help','I was ill but now recovered' package. Amazon by virtue of their tracking abilities could (probably) immediately identify clusters, probably even symptomless carriers. With no software the UK government can do little more than count positive and negative results with (apparently) some regional information. From the (lack of) data available to the government they have to assume the virus is 'everywhere'. From the lack of response to 'lockdown' it will continue to spread and new clusters are likely. We (UK) aren't so good as China at enforcing a lockdown but we can be tracked - by Amazon and maybe a few others (edit Google).

[Zinjanthropos]

Our PM Trudeau talks to the nation from just outside the front door of his home. We know his wife has the virus and he’s observing 14 day isolation protocol best he can. When the camera pans back you can see there isn’t anyone remotely close to him as he speaks. So I happened to catch Trump on tv addressing the nation and couldn’t help to see he was completely surrounded by his entourage with the press close by. He must not have virus but Holy Shit, couldn’t he set an example and at least be careful.

[Yazata]

Crikey! Australia warned that beer could run out unless it's classified as 'essential to life'. (Is there any doubt?) Bans on non-essential gatherings threaten to shut down a couple of big Melbourne breweries that supply the whole country.

https://www.youtube-nocookie.com/embed/8E0aZ387M_I

[Zinjanthropos]

Crikey! Australia warned that beer could run out unless it's classified as 'essential to life'. (Is there any doubt?) Bans on non-essential gatherings threaten to shut down a couple of big Melbourne breweries that supply the whole country.

https://www.youtube-nocookie.com/embed/8E0aZ387M_I

And we thought toilet paper panic buying was bad. Can’t imagine what panic beer buying will bring.

[Secular Sanity]

Crikey! Australia warned that beer could run out unless it's classified as 'essential to life'. (Is there any doubt?) Bans on non-essential gatherings threaten to shut down a couple of big Melbourne breweries that supply the whole country.

Guinness had one of the best commercials during this crisis that I've seen so far. I loved it when they said that they've signed a nine thousand year lease, so we're not going anywhere.

‘DON’T WORRY, WE’LL MARCH AGAIN,’ GUINNESS SAYS IN AD AFTER ST. PATRICK’S DAY PARADE SUSPENSIONS

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The milk and antibodies thing still seems like a good idea.
[not].

Lactose intolerant, eh?   

There's a lot of stigma associated with the virus even after patients have been cleared. Some of the cruise ship passengers now being released are starting to feel the sting of some of the social aspects. They’re even getting tons of hate mail from people blaming them for bringing this into our country.  The news regarding the antibodies might reduce some of the tension.

Our county now has one reported case here on the South Coast.

My son called yesterday to say that he bought a one-way ticket home. I said, "What in the hell does that mean?" He said that since school is canceled and all the gyms are closed, he's staying with us until this whole thing blows over or until he gets tired of us. I hope they don't ban interstate travel because he eats a lot. 

The home test kits are availbale for purchase today. I’m not sure how I feel about them, though, because a positive result would definitely impact people's decisions to completely quarantined themselves and take more precautions but the high risks associated with false negative results will definitely result in more people being exposed. The necessary timing of the procedure, the extraction process; I don’t just like it. I hate to say it but we’ve all witnessed the abundance of incompetence throughout the general population. I mean, I love Kaiser Permanente and believe that it’s one of the best health care systems that we have here in the states.  I’m grateful that I have access to my labs, health care summary and the ability to contact my physician through emails, phone appointments, video conferences, etc., but throughout the years, I’ve had to correct several pharmaceutical errors and lab orders. I don’t know if it’s a good idea to rely on individuals to accurately complete these test kits at home. Even the CDC sent test kits to public health labs around the country. But the CDC later said those test kits were problematic and might not deliver accurate results.

At-home coronavirus tests now available

Taking an at-home test presents other problems as well. For an accurate test, a patient must swab deep in the back of the nose or throat where the virus is most active. Similar to a test that’s taken too early, a swab that’s done too shallowly could wrongly convince someone that they don’t have Covid-19.

"It’s not a very comfortable thing, if you do it right. It can feel like you’re trying to gag yourself." Topol said. "So the chance of false-negatives is high."

As public hungers for coronavirus tests, FDA warns new at-home kits are ‘unauthorized’

Metro Detroit family with coronavirus speaks out: 'It's unlike anything. Stay home.'

The family endured them all, though perhaps most frustrating was the bureaucratic nightmare that added to their uncertainty: They went days without knowing what was wrong with their son because he couldn't get the coronavirus test.

The state of Michigan, which was dealing with a shortage of tests at the time — 385 for the entire state — twice told him he didn't qualify. But hospital doctors kept pushing and pushing, and ultimately persevered.

The test itself is terrible," the student recalled. "They shove a swab all the way up your nose.

[Yazata]

In more coronavirus beer news here's Cyril, a 90 year old regular at a London pub who is self-isolating at home, so the pub gave him a keg of beer and a box of 'crisps' (potato chips in the normal world). They say that they will be going to go over to Cyril's house, renamed 'Cyril's Arms', and have a pint, with Cyril inside his window and his mates outside.

https://www.instagram.com/p/B97YZ5jH8iM/

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Ross Pomeroy: "It may be possible for people to be long-term carriers of the virus. The doctors presented the case of a 44-year-old man who beat back a mild course of COVID-19 in early February, was discharged from the hospital, then was readmitted two weeks later with an asymptomatic infection. It's possible that he was re-infected, but it's more likely that the virus was never cleared from his body after his initial bout with COVID-19. The doctors did not reveal if he was still contagious, nor did they speculate on how long his infection might persist."