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C C
Nov 14, 2019 11:44 PM
Complete list of mass shootings in 2019
https://www.gunviolencearchive.org/repor...s-shooting
https://www.businessinsider.com/number-o...ear-2019-8
EXCERPT: The number of mass shootings in the US this year has already reached 366, as of November 14, according to the Gun Violence Archive's tally. At least two people were killed and an additional three were injured in a mass shooting on Thursday afternoon at Saugus High School in Santa Clarita, California. By the Gun Violence Archive's count, there have been more US mass shootings than days in 2019 so far. [...] Americans are more likely to die from gun violence than many leading causes of death combined, with some 11,000 people in the US killed in firearm assaults each year. [...] There is no broadly accepted definition of a mass shooting. ... The government also doesn't have an official definition... ( MORE - details, graph)
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Syne
Nov 14, 2019 11:48 PM
Bullshit stat that doesn't follow any reputable criteria, like the FBI's or even just the average person's definition of mass shooting. They're trying to scare you by conflating stats from gang shootings.
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Syne
Nov 15, 2019 04:28 AM
Much like this:
CNN Says There Have Been 22 School Shootings This Year. That’s A Lie.
"CNN used the following parameters for their count: - A shooting that involved at least one person being shot (not including the shooter)
- A shooting that occurred on school grounds
- We included grades K through college/university level
- We included gang violence, fights and domestic violence
- We included accidental discharge of a firearm as long as the first two parameters are met
So, in other words, not mass shootings; not even purposeful shootings; not even shootings involving children. If a gang member shot another gang member on school grounds during the summer, this would count as a school shooting. If a wife shot a husband at a school, they counted it."
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Zinjanthropos
Nov 15, 2019 02:32 PM
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(Nov 15, 2019 04:28 AM)Syne Wrote: So, in other words, not mass shootings; not even purposeful shootings; not even shootings involving children. If a gang member shot another gang member on school grounds during the summer, this would count as a school shooting. If a wife shot a husband at a school, they counted it."
We need a rule book with case book interpretations. If we’re keeping score then definitely need to know what’s fair, like should a gang shooting count as two shootings....gangland & school? Same goes for domestic shootings. Standardize the regulations so we can eliminate these loopholes. Need a governing body to regulate the shooting game. Right now there’s no direction and the players are confused, as well as the statisticians. For such a popular game there’s absolutely no guidance. What a shame, eh?
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Syne
Nov 16, 2019 12:19 AM
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The FBI already has a standard definition of "mass shooting". Leftists just ignore it to tell these little dramatic sounding lies. Nor are shootings, of any kind (gang, mass, school), a game. Leftists just ignore gang violence because they assume "black people just can't help themselves". You know, racists.
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Zinjanthropos
Nov 16, 2019 09:57 PM
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(Nov 16, 2019 12:19 AM)Syne Wrote: Nor are shootings, of any kind (gang, mass, school), a game.
Was being facetious. However, this is the world we live in ..... https://www.chicagotribune.com/business/...story.html
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Syne
Nov 16, 2019 10:48 PM
The Grand Theft Auto video game series includes plenty of gang/mass shootings. Is that one worse because it involves children? If so, where's the comparable outrage from the left on abortion, or even just late-term/born alive abortions?
Which California gun law was supposed to have stopped the latest school shooter, who was 16 and used a handgun?
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Zinjanthropos
Nov 17, 2019 02:30 PM
Saw a vid of a Columbine shooter’s mother. She’s spent the last fifteen years or so speaking to audiences re gun violence, school shootings, etc and putting her perspective on things. I wondered after viewing, whether or not she feels her efforts beyond futile, as in there’s no way to ever stop these things from happening.
When I watch how a country reacts to such acts of violence it seems as if there’s a short period of aghast followed by a longer period of reluctant acceptance. Life goes on and there’s possibly some hope the government will fix it. On a personal level, I think it means way more than that if your closely involved but also very difficult to have everyone feeling the way you do. Does it mean shootings and whatever else upsets is more of a personal thing? IOW means more if personally involved. If it is personal then can/should an individual decide for themselves while remaining a respectful law abiding citizen?
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Syne
Nov 17, 2019 07:08 PM
No government, other than perhaps militant fascism, can control people enough to prevent such things. If it's not a gun, it's a knife, a bomb, a vehicle, or a broken glass bottle. And people speaking from their personal loss are often biased and irrational. The "somebody has to do something", anything sort, regardless of if it has any hopes of making an impact and regardless of whether it infringes on the rights of law abiding citizens.
Everyone feels for victims of any unprovoked violence. But just like we don't prosecute sexual assaults without actual evidence or denying the accused due process, because we sympathize with teh victims, we also don't take away the fundamental human right to defend their own lives, because we sympathize with the victims of gun (or in the UK, knife) violence.
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billvon
Nov 18, 2019 12:33 AM
(Nov 14, 2019 11:44 PM)C C Wrote: Complete list of mass shootings in 2019 Cool that now the families of school shooting victims can now sue gun manufacturers. Could it be that we will start to see gun manufacturers start to care about how their products are misused? Would be great to see. (And it will be fun to see the gun nuts clutch their Bibles and cry about the end of the world as we know it.)
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