How Reliable Are the Memories of Sexual Assault Victims?

[Syne]

Felt" being the operative word there. Feels cloud reasonable thinking.

So I take it you have no experience with gut feeling or intuition? How sad..

Where did I say anything like that? O_o

Intuition may proceed reason, but that's no excuse to bypass reason altogether.

[Zinjanthropos]

I don't think I was a victim nor do I think I ever victimized someone but in all honesty, I can't remember all encounters. Granted, a few stand out but even then I can't remember everything that happened. The price for not being kinky enough. I remember this one night though, because it stood out.......

Me: I know 100 ways to make love. What's your favorite?
She: The Missionary Position
Me: Missionary Position?
She: You know, when the guy gets on top facing the girl
Me: 101 


Some dalliances you never forget.

[Magical Realist]

Nothing about intuition suggests the bypassing of reason. Rather it supplements it.

[Syne]

Nothing about intuition suggests the bypassing of reason. Rather it supplements it.

No, the lack of any rational argument or reasons suggest the bypassing of reason. Supplement to reason are no substitute for reasoning.
The only arguments given above were wholly emotional.

[Magical Realist]

Nothing about intuition suggests the bypassing of reason. Rather it supplements it.

No, the lack of any rational argument or reasons suggest the bypassing of reason. Supplement to reason are no substitute for reasoning.
The only arguments given above were wholly emotional.

No..intuition is always involved when reason can't find an answer. It supplements it. Leigha is feeling her intuition about the matter because reason alone can't solve it.

[Leigha]

There needn't have been a culmination of evidence as if this was a trial by jury, and we are determining whether or not a crime has been committed. In that context, I'd say, there wasn't sufficient evidence. Totally agree on that point. But, this was more about a judgement of character, and I observed a better display of tone, and testimony from Ford as opposed to Kavanaugh.

Kavanaugh cried, and carried on...unwilling to answer basic questions. Unwilling to state emphatically that he agreed with the idea of conducting a FBI investigation. He went all partisan theatrics on everyone, trying to distract the reason he was there.

That's a credibility issue for me. Not enough evidence to put him in jail, but his own behavior during the hearing was enough for me to view him as not being fit for the role he was about to undertake, and in fact, I think he lied under oath. He was a drunk, that was what he was, back during high school and college days. There's no crime in that, but it IS a crime to lie about that under oath.

Just then, someone mumbled something about white, male privilege not being a thing............

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The funny thing about this debate, is that we all saw the same hearing. There was only one hearing that was aired live as it unfolded. So, why do some feel (there's that word again) the need to spin what everyone just observed? He denied having a drinking problem (he had classmates from Yale who under oath, stated otherwise), he wouldn't agree to a FBI investigation (everyone witnessed this during the hearing), and he started off with wild allegations about the Clintons and democrats. Did we all watch the same hearing?  

[Syne]

No, the lack of any rational argument or reasons suggest the bypassing of reason. Supplement to reason are no substitute for reasoning.
The only arguments given above were wholly emotional.

No..intuition is always involved when reason can't find an answer. It supplements it. Leigha is feeling her intuition about the matter because reason alone can't solve it.

Well, some reasoning skills are obviously better than others.

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There needn't have been a culmination of evidence as if this was a trial by jury, and we are determining whether or not a crime has been committed. In that context, I'd say, there wasn't sufficient evidence. Totally agree on that point. But, this was more about a judgement of character, and I observed a better display of tone, and testimony from Ford as opposed to Kavanaugh.

Willfully ignoring the complete dearth of corroboration, in favor of rumors that simply feed your bias, turns an ostensible character judgement into nothing but a character assassination. You seem to have avoided my question of what you would do if accused of murder in front of your loved ones. Would you be composed and maintain a "better display of tone"? Or is it only people with ulterior motives, whether they believe they are lying or not, that are concerned about tone? And since Ford testified to crying during her polygraph test, why no tears (and quite a few smiles) during her Senate testimony?

Kavanaugh cried, and carried on...unwilling to answer basic questions. Unwilling to state emphatically that he agreed with the idea of conducting a FBI investigation. He went all partisan theatrics on everyone, trying to distract the reason he was there.

Yes, unwilling to agreed to an investigation whose only purpose would be to delay long enough to deny you the pinnacle opportunity of your entire career. And knowing that the FBI had already conducted many in-depth investigations for other federal court appointments. He was only trying to fight the obvious and politically biased character assassination. If you would just roll over in the face of such injustice, that's on you.

That's a credibility issue for me. Not enough evidence to put him in jail, but his own behavior during the hearing was enough for me to view him as not being fit for the role he was about to undertake, and in fact, I think he lied under oath. He was a drunk, that was what he was, back during high school and college days. There's no crime in that, but it IS a crime to lie about that under oath.

If he had been calm the whole time, Democrats would have just pivoted to saying he was obviously a sociopath, since anyone would have an emotional reaction to those accusations. Catch-22.
Where's any corroborative evidence he lied about anything? Sounds like you just bought leftist talking points.

Just then, someone mumbled something about white, male privilege not being a thing............

You're more than welcome to try showing evidence for it.

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The funny thing about this debate, is that we all saw the same hearing. There was only one hearing that was aired live as it unfolded. So, why do some feel (there's that word again) the need to spin what everyone just observed? He denied having a drinking problem (he had classmates from Yale who under oath, stated otherwise), he wouldn't agree to a FBI investigation (everyone witnessed this during the hearing), and he started off with wild allegations about the Clintons and democrats. Did we all watch the same hearing?  

What's funny is the degree people have been played for dupes.

On CNN on Friday night, Chris Cuomo interviewed Liz Swisher, one of Kavanaugh’s former classmates. “What do you know about Brett Kavanaugh that he was not truthful about in the hearing?” Cuomo asked her.

“I would’ve stayed on the sidelines if he’d said, ‘I drank to excess in high school. I drank to excess in college. I did some stupid things. But I never sexually assaulted anybody,’” Swisher told Cuomo. “But to lie under oath, to lie about that, then what else is true?”

But Swisher’s comment about what she believes Kavanaugh ought to have said in order to be truthful lines up almost exactly with what Kavanaugh did say during his testimony. “I drank beer with my friends,” he said in his opening statement. ”Sometimes I had too many beers. Sometimes others did. I liked beer. I still like beer. But I did not drink beer to the point of blacking out, and I never sexually assaulted anyone.”

That statement is nearly word for word what Swisher said her former classmate ought to have testified. And yet she appeared on CNN to offer this commentary and call him a liar.

Meanwhile, another of Kavanaugh’s Yale classmates, Chad Ludington, issued a statement on Sunday claiming that Kavanaugh made a “blatant mischaracterization” of his drinking habits. His statement, however, failed to indicate exactly what Kavanaugh mischaracterized. Ludington offered no new evidence or information that contradicted what Kavanaugh himself has already admitted.
- https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/ya...-drinking/

Kavanaugh clearly said he sometimes "had too many beers". So where's this boogeyman that he lied? O_o
Kavanaugh never testified that he never got belligerent or angry when drunk, so Ludington's claims don't show that he lied either.

You can either pay attention to the actual facts, or choose to keep your head buried up your own ass. Pretty simple choice IMO.

[Leigha]

https://www.businessinsider.com/brett-ka...it-2018-10

''I was busy studying, getting good grades, and going to church. I didn't attend parties like have been described.'' lol

At this point, for me anyway, it's more about him lying under oath, and his character during the hearing.

[Syne]

https://www.businessinsider.com/brett-ka...it-2018-10

''I was busy studying, getting good grades, and going to church. I didn't attend parties like have been described.'' lol

Where did you get that quote? It's not in that article, not in the hearing transcript, not in the interview he and his wife gave, and doesn't come up on Google.
Unless you can produce a reputable source, I'll have to assume you or some leftist just made it up.
The closest I could find was in the interview:

MACCALLUM: You never said to anyone, “I don’t remember anything about last night.”

KAVANAUGH: No, that did not happen.

MACCALLUM: Did you ever have any sense that any kind of – the description of the behavior that I just described with these women being taken into rooms and raped or having sex with a number of men consensual or otherwise that that was going on at the parties that you were at?

KAVANAUGH: I never saw any such thing, any such thing. I certainly never participated in any such thing -- but I never saw or heard of any such thing. And we were – I was focused on trying to be number one in my class and being captain of the varsity basketball team and doing my service projects, going to church.

The vast majority of the time I spent in high school was studying or focused on sports and being a good friend to the boys and the girls that I was friends with. We have these great, life-long friendships that are fantastic, and supporting each other through the ups and downs of life, and, you know, they’re an awesome group of people.
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MACCALLUM: So, when she says there’s no doubt in her mind that it was you, because she was asked that. Is it possible that you maybe confused him, maybe it’s a mistaken identity, maybe it was someone else. She said absolutely not.

KAVANAUGH: I have never sexually assaulted anyone. I was not at the party described. I was not anywhere at any place resembling that in the summer of 1982. The other people alleged to be there don’t say anything like that. And the woman who’s alleged to be there, who’s her friend, says that she doesn’t know me and doesn’t recall ever being at a party with me in her life.
- https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/...annotated/

So he freely admitted "Sometimes I had too many beers", that the majority of the time (not all) was spent doing other things, and only that he was not at THE specific party described.

Your opinions seem completely fact free. Just imbibing too much leftist propaganda.

From that same article:

Tom Kane, a former classmate of Kavanaugh's who regularly attended "Beach Week," downplayed the significance of the note, describing it to The Times as "the script of 'Revenge of the Nerds.'"

At this point, for me anyway, it's more about him lying under oath, and his character during the hearing.

Again, for the third time, how would you react to being accused of murder in front of your loved ones? O_o
You repeatedly avoiding this questions seems like an answer itself.

[Leigha]

https://www.businessinsider.com/brett-ka...it-2018-10

''I was busy studying, getting good grades, and going to church. I didn't attend parties like have been described.'' lol

Where did you get that quote? It's not in that article, not in the hearing transcript, not in the interview he and his wife gave, and doesn't come up on Google.
Unless you can produce a reputable source, I'll have to assume you or some leftist just made it up.  
The closest I could find was in the interview:

MACCALLUM: You never said to anyone, “I don’t remember anything about last night.”

KAVANAUGH: No, that did not happen.

MACCALLUM: Did you ever have any sense that any kind of – the description of the behavior that I just described with these women being taken into rooms and raped or having sex with a number of men consensual or otherwise that that was going on at the parties that you were at?

KAVANAUGH: I never saw any such thing, any such thing. I certainly never participated in any such thing -- but I never saw or heard of any such thing. And we were – I was focused on trying to be number one in my class and being captain of the varsity basketball team and doing my service projects, going to church.

The vast majority of the time I spent in high school was studying or focused on sports and being a good friend to the boys and the girls that I was friends with. We have these great, life-long friendships that are fantastic, and supporting each other through the ups and downs of life, and, you know, they’re an awesome group of people.
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MACCALLUM: So, when she says there’s no doubt in her mind that it was you, because she was asked that. Is it possible that you maybe confused him, maybe it’s a mistaken identity, maybe it was someone else. She said absolutely not.

KAVANAUGH: I have never sexually assaulted anyone. I was not at the party described. I was not anywhere at any place resembling that in the summer of 1982. The other people alleged to be there don’t say anything like that. And the woman who’s alleged to be there, who’s her friend, says that she doesn’t know me and doesn’t recall ever being at a party with me in her life.
- https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/...annotated/

So he freely admitted "Sometimes I had too many beers", that the majority of the time (not all) was spent doing other things, and only that he was not at THE specific party described.

Your opinions seem completely fact free. Just imbibing too much leftist propaganda.  

From that same article:

Tom Kane, a former classmate of Kavanaugh's who regularly attended "Beach Week," downplayed the significance of the note, describing it to The Times as "the script of 'Revenge of the Nerds.'"

At this point, for me anyway, it's more about him lying under oath, and his character during the hearing.

Again, for the third time, how would you react to being accused of murder in front of your loved ones? O_o
You repeatedly avoiding this questions seems like an answer itself.

He can remember with absolute clarity every party he was and wasn't at in 1982 and 1983, but...can't remember that he drank often, and a lot. Got it. He was a frequent partier, his yearbook comments showed that, and so were the comments made by Yale classmates, and others from high school. 

He didn't murder anyone. lol That's the thing, he couldn't be honest over his drinking habits from high school and college. Something that sounds pretty innocuous on the surface, but something you might want to downplay if you have a habit of groping women and conducting yourself in inappropriate ways around women, at parties. That sounds more like the truth.

Why did he text so many of his classmates when the investigation was going on, if he wasn't worried about something tawdry coming up about him? Many people get drunk and act a little reckless in high school and college, there's no need to downplay it and make it sound like you had a few too many beers at times, ''like everyone else.'' That's the part you're missing, that he wasn't forthcoming with that info, downplayed it, and I'm not the only one who listened to his testimony who is coming away with that. I'm not a leftist, by the way, so I have no hidden agenda.