Adie's Pupil

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A harmless one-liner and suddenly I'm a predator. Don't even think about posting "I thought you were older.".

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Room 107. Bring a bottle.

[Secular Sanity]

Just look for the girl with one blue eye.

[confused2]

The absence of any honourable way forward suggests one or more mistakes may have been made in the past. Please accept my apologies for those mistakes.
-C2.

[Secular Sanity]

The absence of any honourable way forward suggests one or more mistakes may have been made in the past. Please accept my apologies for those mistakes.
-C2.

No, it's okay. Wait! That won't work.

"No, it's okay." is encouragement.

No worries? It's all good? Hell, I don't know. Take your pick.

[Syne]

"No, it's okay." is encouragement.

No worries? It's all good? Hell, I don't know. Take your pick.

When a guy says he won't flirt with you and you say, "No, it's okay", you are literally inviting flirtation.
Are you really that socially naive?

[Secular Sanity]

Are you really that socially naive?

Are you really that socially naive, Syne?

The way that you're policing the women involved and defending Weinstein says a lot about you.

Eighty seven—87 accusers.  

"Many of the encounters with Weinstein follow similar patterns: Big work appointments or meetings turn out to be in his hotel room. Weinstein offers massages or is naked or barely dressed. The women said they felt uncomfortable and wanted to leave. Some did. Others felt pressure to stay." [1]

Still gross, fat, and ugly, but does make me doubt any accusations of nonconsensual crimes.

He wasn’t always old, fat, and ugly but he was always a predator.

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[Syne]

You obviously couldn't argue with this:

When a guy says he won't flirt with you and you say, "No, it's okay", you are literally inviting flirtation.

What, couldn't square the cognitive dissonance?

Are you really that socially naive?

Are you really that socially naive, Syne?

The way that you're policing the women involved and defending Weinstein says a lot about you.

There it is; the unjustified character attack I've been expecting from you this whole time.
Using the law as an objective criteria is not defending creepy behavior.
"Policing"? You mean requiring evidence of wrongdoing? O_o
Instead of what, a mob lynching? Would you have been on the front lines of the Salem witch burnings too? O_o
Just because you didn't have the spine, self-respect, or social understanding to stand up for yourself doesn't wholly excuse the behavior you faced any more than Weinstein's (it's still gross behavior). But rational people cannot pretend that something illegal happened when there's no indication it did. Don't try to exorcise your own demons by proxy. Try therapy instead.

Eighty seven—87 accusers.  

"Many of the encounters with Weinstein follow similar patterns: Big work appointments or meetings turn out to be in his hotel room. Weinstein offers massages or is naked or barely dressed. The women said they felt uncomfortable and wanted to leave. Some did. Others felt pressure to stay." [1]

Yeah, accusers who have not shown proof, and if this latest video is any indication, we can't expect any.
And many of whom kept their mouths closed for decades because they benefited...it was transactional.
"felt pressure to stay" is not rape.

Would you rather be treated like a child, where men must protect you, even from your own bad decisions, because men know best? O_o
If a man is expected to keep a woman's best interests in mind even when a woman doesn't take the personal responsibility to say "no", that's exactly what you're demanding. The infantilization of women.
And if women are self-respecting, responsible adults, then they have the responsibility to say "no", consent (transactional or otherwise), or report a crime in a timely manner, so that evidence can be collected.

Still gross, fat, and ugly, but does make me doubt any accusations of nonconsensual crimes.

He wasn’t always old, fat, and ugly but he was always a predator.

Entitled, sure, because powerful men often have women throwing themselves at them in the hopes of some gain, but "predator" presupposes lack of consent and crime, neither of which has been demonstrated. Only lynch mobs decide guilt without evidence.

[Secular Sanity]

You obviously couldn't argue with this:

When a guy says he won't flirt with you and you say, "No, it's okay", you are literally inviting flirtation.

What, couldn't square the cognitive dissonance?

Are you really that socially naive?

Are you really that socially naive, Syne?

The way that you're policing the women involved and defending Weinstein says a lot about you.

There it is; the unjustified character attack I've been expecting from you this whole time.  
Using the law as an objective criteria is not defending creepy behavior.
"Policing"? You mean requiring evidence of wrongdoing? O_o
Instead of what, a mob lynching? Would you have been on the front lines of the Salem witch burnings too? O_o
Just because you didn't have the spine, self-respect, or social understanding to stand up for yourself doesn't wholly excuse the behavior you faced any more than Weinstein's (it's still gross behavior). But rational people cannot pretend that something illegal happened when there's no indication it did. Don't try to exorcise your own demons by proxy. Try therapy instead.

Eighty seven—87 accusers.  

"Many of the encounters with Weinstein follow similar patterns: Big work appointments or meetings turn out to be in his hotel room. Weinstein offers massages or is naked or barely dressed. The women said they felt uncomfortable and wanted to leave. Some did. Others felt pressure to stay." [1]

Yeah, accusers who have not shown proof, and if this latest video is any indication, we can't expect any.
And many of whom kept their mouths closed for decades because they benefited...it was transactional.
"felt pressure to stay" is not rape.

Would you rather be treated like a child, where men must protect you, even from your own bad decisions, because men know best? O_o
If a man is expected to keep a woman's best interests in mind even when a woman doesn't take the personal responsibility to say "no", that's exactly what you're demanding. The infantilization of women.
And if women are self-respecting, responsible adults, then they have the responsibility to say "no", consent (transactional or otherwise), or report a crime in a timely manner, so that evidence can be collected.

Still gross, fat, and ugly, but does make me doubt any accusations of nonconsensual crimes.

He wasn’t always old, fat, and ugly but he was always a predator.

Entitled, sure, because powerful men often have women throwing themselves at them in the hopes of some gain, but "predator" presupposes lack of consent and crime, neither of which has been demonstrated. Only lynch mobs decide guilt without evidence.  

Oh, he's a victim then.  A victim of the usual female stereotypes e.g., gold diggers, femme fatales, feminazis, eh?

Aww...poor guy. Someone should have warned him about us. His mother should have told him that he was a fat sexist pig and that women were only after his money. She should've told him to not rock out with his cock out. She should warned him about the repercussions of inviting young females to a hotel room, inappropriately touching them, masturbating in front of them, and pulling their hand towards his erect penis. 

I don't have any regrets. I've never did anything that I haven't wanted to do. So don't project your shit onto me. Maybe that's why you're still single, though because you think his behavior is gross...but still socially acceptable.

[Syne]

Oh, he's a victim then.  A victim of the usual female stereotypes e.g., gold diggers, femme fatales, feminazis, eh?

Aww...poor guy. Someone should have warned him about us. His mother should have told him that he was a fat sexist pig and that women were only after his money. She should've told him to not rock out with his cock out. She should warned him about the repercussions of inviting young females to a hotel room, inappropriately touching them, masturbating in front of them, and pulling their hand towards his erect penis. 

How you get that he was a victim from anything I said is beyond me.
There are no victims between mutually consenting adults, and rape is more than "[feeling] pressure to stay".

I don't have any regrets. I've never did anything that I haven't wanted to do. So don't project your shit onto me. Maybe that's why you're still single because you think his behavior is gross...but still socially acceptable.

Really? So you wanted to let this happen?:

Sorry, but we’ve all been in similar situations. It’s awkward and difficult to maneuver. I worked the nightshift when I was in my early twenties. My boss would come in afterhours saying that he forgot something. He’d come up behind me, put his hands on my shoulders, and lean over to look at my work. After a few minutes, he’d start massaging me. Unfortunately, he wasn’t the only one. It happened a lot.

I think she looks uncomfortable, and I don’t think that she’s flirting with him, but he’s definitely flirting with her.

Letting it happen is something you did.
Why was it "unfortunate" or "awkward" if you wanted it? O_o
Why was it "unfortunate" it "happened a lot"? Did you ever say "no" or "stop"? Just hoped it would stop without being responsible for taking any action? O_o
Why would you project her looking uncomfortable if you wanted "similar situations"? O_o

No one said gross behavior was socially acceptable. Only that encouraging gross behavior, even by failing to call it out, doesn't absolve an adult from complicity. It's like watching a child be abused and doing/saying nothing. A little self-respect would go a long way, deary.

Again, quit looking for scapegoats to exorcise your own demons by proxy. Get into therapy and handle your feelings the healthy way.

[Secular Sanity]

Oh, he's a victim then.  A victim of the usual female stereotypes e.g., gold diggers, femme fatales, feminazis, eh?

Aww...poor guy. Someone should have warned him about us. His mother should have told him that he was a fat sexist pig and that women were only after his money. She should've told him to not rock out with his cock out. She should warned him about the repercussions of inviting young females to a hotel room, inappropriately touching them, masturbating in front of them, and pulling their hand towards his erect penis. 

How you get that he was a victim from anything I said is beyond me.  
There are no victims between mutually consenting adults, and rape is more than "[feeling] pressure to stay".

I don't have any regrets. I've never did anything that I haven't wanted to do. So don't project your shit onto me. Maybe that's why you're still single because you think his behavior is gross...but still socially acceptable.

Really? So you wanted to let this happen?:

Sorry, but we’ve all been in similar situations. It’s awkward and difficult to maneuver.  I worked the nightshift when I was in my early twenties. My boss would come in afterhours saying that he forgot something. He’d come up behind me, put his hands on my shoulders, and lean over to look at my work.  After a few minutes, he’d start massaging me. Unfortunately, he wasn’t the only one. It happened a lot.

I think she looks uncomfortable, and I don’t think that she’s flirting with him, but he’s definitely flirting with her.

Letting it happen is something you did.
Why was it "unfortunate" or "awkward" if you wanted it? O_o
Why did it "happened a lot"? Did you ever say "no" or "stop"?
Why would you project her looking uncomfortable if you wanted "similar situations"? O_o

No one said gross behavior was socially acceptable. Only that encouraging gross behavior, even by failing to call it out, doesn't absolve an adult from complicity. It's like watching a child be abused and doing/saying nothing. A little self-respect would go a long way, deary.

Again, quit looking for scapegoats to exorcise your own demons by proxy. Get into therapy and handle your feelings the healthy way.

You're making your usual misogynistic assumptions again. That's all you're capable of, isn't it? That, in and of itself, says a lot about you. I didn't let it happen again. I went to school with his daughter. I told her that her dad was creepy.  It didn't happen again. Another boss of mine said that he wouldn't give me the managers position because I was a woman. I quit and then called his wife. He called me at home the next day and I got the job.

What did your idol say?

"If you tell powerful Hollywood men to stop, you will never get a job again. This is exactly what happened with Harvey Weinstein. If anyone complained about Harvey Weinstein, he made sure that nobody in town worked again. Quentin Tarantino admitted as much. He said that Harvey would call around and say that this person is a bad person to work with. You don’t want to work with this girl because she’s trouble and then these people wouldn’t get jobs ever again. So when you have powerful men in positions of high power this is why you need more virtuous men in the industry.  This is why you need more virtuous standards in the industry. In some cases there are a bunch of men who have had women saying yes to them during their entire career because women want to get ahead and then these men decide, "Okay, that means all women want it because they’re scumbags."~Ben Shapiro

You know, sort of like you're doing to me right now.

"What you really need is a bunch of men that are willing to report other men for doing these terrible things, and those men need to stand up, and say no to people like Harvey Weinstein."~ Ben Shapiro