Weinstein accuser releases video of creepy business meeting B4 alleged rape

The pre-rape (alleged) video: https://news.sky.com/video/harvey-weinst...u-11496162

https://www.spin.com/2018/09/harvey-wein...ing-video/

EXCERPT: Melissa Thompson is one of many women who have come forward to accuse now-disgraced Hollywood producer Harvey Weinstein of sexual assault and rape. [...] Today, Thompson released video of the encounter in a report published by the UK’s Sky News.

In it the video, the professional meeting takes on an air of predation almost immediately, as Weinstein touches Thompson inappropriately and asks her inappropriate questions. [...] Thompson is clearly on edge, trying to keep the boundaries of professionalism up while also attempting to appease the very rich and powerful man she is hoping to do business with [...] Thompson tells Sky News that at one point in the meeting Weinstein reached his hand under the desk and put it under Thompson’s skirt.

[...] At the end of the footage, Weinstein invites Thompson for a drink a few hours later at the Tribeca Grand Hotel (now called The Roxy). [...] she believed it would be in a public space. Instead [...] There, Thompson says, Weinstein raped her.

MORE: https://www.spin.com/2018/09/harvey-wein...ing-video/

VIDEO: https://news.sky.com/video/harvey-weinst...u-11496162

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Couldn't get that video to play, but this one worked: https://pagesix.com/2018/09/12/video-sho...eged-rape/

OMG! Now Weinstein is as fat, ugly, and pervy as they come, no doubt. But the video shows this woman flirting with him, "Data is so hot, right?" leaning in, touching him, and giggling. And when he asks "It's ok, would you like to do it some more?" she says, "A little bit, mm-hmm." And all this happens after she appears to have made the sale.

Sounds like the people who convinced her to give him what he wanted did her the worst disservice...or she was just willing to bend her personal boundaries to make the sale or see what else she could get. Either way, it doesn't reflect great on her.

Hells teeth. Am I going to be the first to say what he/she thinks?

(Sep 13, 2018 02:09 AM)confused2 Wrote: Hells teeth. Am I going to be the first to say what he/she thinks?

Quite a tumble from the grooming standards and business fashions of the old days, eh? A big-time Hollywood producer attending a marketing meeting in his NYC offices wearing a T-shirt bulging with a prominent beer-belly.

But OTOH, the sexual favor expectation racket was even more unbridled during the classic era of movies. Susan Tyrrell got a nightmarish, disorienting dose of John Huston prior to making Fat City.

A life of blows and disappointments can't bow Susan Tyrrell: John Huston destroyed her [Susan Tyrrell's] dreams of Hollywood stardom. The director of "The Maltese Falcon" and "The Treasure of the Sierra Madre" hired Tyrrell to play the alcoholic Oma in "Fat City" and proceeded to pull the casting couch routine. Anger bubbles as she relates, in graphic detail, how he forced himself on her.

"It was disgusting. He was looking down on me like an old hound dog. I was mortified. I thought I was better than that."

She refuses to call it rape, and she never officially reported it.

She once told an interviewer, "He stole something sacred from me. He's the seed for all my behavior."

"That one incident was like a car crash to me," she says. "I broke down. And I made a pledge to myself that I would always" — she pauses emotionally. "I'm sorry. I haven't talked about this in years." It was a downslide from there, she says...

Obituary ... Allegations From "casting Couch" Candidates: She [Susan Tyrrell] was 26 when she persuaded Huston to give her the part of the 35-year-old barfly. A reviewer in *The New York Times* praised her as “one of the first believable drunks I’ve ever seen on screen” — a picture of whining self-pity. [...] In a 2000 interview, Susan Tyrrell revealed how 66-year old director John Huston had prepared her for her role in Fat City (1972) by taking her on a drink-fuelled tour of northern California, during which he took full advantage of the opportunities offered by the casting couch: “I can’t describe to you how horrible it was. Goddamn bastard. I still hate him.” In spite of this, Tyrrell was nominated for an Academy Award for Best Supporting Actress for the part.

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CC Wrote:Quite a tumble from the grooming standards and business fashions of the old days, eh? A big-time Hollywood producer attending a marketing meeting in his NYC offices wearing a T-shirt bulging with a prominent beer-belly.

After watching the clip.. how likely do you think it is that the girl will end up in his hotel room and have sex with him? From her performance in the clip I'd say about 80% likely. If anyone else would also predict she will have sex with him (in his hotel room) we might choose to look at what made this likely (or unlikely).

Sorry, but we’ve all been in similar situations. It’s awkward and difficult to maneuver. I worked the nightshift when I was in my early twenties. My boss would come in afterhours saying that he forgot something. He’d come up behind me, put his hands on my shoulders, and lean over to look at my work. After a few minutes, he’d start massaging me. Unfortunately, he wasn’t the only one. It happened a lot.

I think she looks uncomfortable, and I don’t think that she’s flirting with him, but he’s definitely flirting with her.

SS Wrote:Sorry, but we’ve all been in similar situations.

Some of us (about half) haven't.

(Sep 13, 2018 12:51 PM)confused2 Wrote:

CC Wrote:Quite a tumble from the grooming standards and business fashions of the old days, eh? A big-time Hollywood producer attending a marketing meeting in his NYC offices wearing a T-shirt bulging with a prominent beer-belly.

After watching the clip.. how likely do you think it is that the girl will end up in his hotel room and have sex with him? From her performance in the clip I'd say about 80% likely. If anyone else would also predict she will have sex with him (in his hotel room) we might choose to look at what made this likely (or unlikely).

Make sure you watched the 9min+ video if it works (I don't have a problem with it on this browser, for whatever reason). Where the Sky News interviewer brings up all this potential stuff of reciprocal flirting.

It's not the puritanical days anymore where the trope was a woman defending her honor by clobbering a guy with her purse and calling hims "Fresh!", and supposedly the gossip afterwards was of the positive kind advertising her as a "good lady" or "demure" if she was young. I doubt that cliché was ever realized, because a "she's a prude / bitch" rep would as much circulate in the man underworld of future employment opportunities.

Instead it's more having to resort to artful prudence or suave maneuvering, trying to deter the advances while still not dissing the sphincter with the direct contempt or alarm which might otherwise be displayed. Today, it's also about making sales, managing clients, brokering a deal, etc. Usually you just take a guy who is pretty much an open #### from the outset to a club or other facility with ample eye-candy, so as to bypass that 4th wall breaching of business conventions via the applicable #### only having "you" to focus on. That's also when it's not possible to have a co-worker or colleague alongside to passively intimidate the #### into behaving slash coloring inside the formal lines via the extra number.

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Okay, I got that Sky News video to work in IE.

He literally asks for consent to flirt with her and she says: "Ummm...we'll see, a little bit."
Even when he says he won't, she says: "No, it's okay."
Sensing discomfort and adapting is called social awareness, but that doesn't change a person's motive, just their tact.
So from the get go she's giving mixed signals, at best, to a known perv she's been warned about.
She goes from being all business to smiling right before he asks what he can do and when. And when he says they're seriously having a conversation, she says, "Good, we can do both", i.e. flirt and talk.
If she really didn't think she was encouraging him, what was she, fresh out of the corn fields in Iowa?
He didn't have to do a thing for her to know he was powerful and could make a deal with her. So she's either lying or stupid on that point.
Maybe she was that naive and stupid, if she was asking how she got herself there, after overtly flirting with him.
The only thing "more complicated than it looked" was her justifications after the fact.
And even as uncomfortable as she claims she was, she still agrees to meet later for a drink. Even when he gave her an out, by asking if she was busy later.
And you really don't know when you're going to a hotel room instead of a conference room? Please.
Did she ever even say "no"? Or did she just "try to manage the situation" and keep looking like she was flirting and playing hard to get?

From all indications, she either knew what she was doing, with some motive to benefit from it, or she actually expects men to treat her like a child and protect her from her own bad decisions. Either way, it definitely does reflect badly on her.

Why would Sky News need to pay her for the video? It's meant to sway public opinion on a lawsuit meant to earn her big money, or failing that, maybe a book deal.

You know, I actually thought much worse of Weinstein before seeing this. Here, he repeatedly asked for consent, calibrated to reactions, etc.. Still gross, fat, and ugly, but does make me doubt any accusations of nonconsensual crimes.


Women are not children. They can decide their own personal boundaries and enforce them, even if it means losing a job. Hell, I've lost jobs enforcing much more minor personal boundaries...no where near a violation of my personal space or body. Or maybe women are children, at least when it comes to men they see as powerful. But is that the man's responsibility to act in her best interest even when she clearly won't? Not unless you're willing to full-throatedly approve of the more hyperbolic caricatures of the patriarchy.

Syne Wrote:You know, I actually thought much worse of Weinstein before seeing this. Here, he repeatedly asked for consent, calibrated to reactions, etc.. Still gross, fat, and ugly, but does make me doubt any accusations of nonconsensual crimes.

Likewise.

Syne Wrote:Hell, I've lost jobs enforcing much more minor personal boundaries...no where near a violation of my personal space or body.

I have also lost jobs enforcing minor personal boundaries - nowhere near a violation of my personal space or body.