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Alpha male or not Alpha male..

#31
Ben the Donkey Offline
Quote:It's a long story. I'm sure Syne will be happy to fill you in.
Yes, well, given what I've seen of Syne so far... pass.
Remember Bells? Same "style".

One does get bored with those who deem the scattering of chaff as useful or constructive discussion.
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#32
Secular Sanity Offline
(Aug 13, 2018 02:58 AM)Ben the Donkey Wrote: What's the frequency, Kenneth?

Sarcasm doesn’t really work with him.  If you’re referring to a generational thing, I think you’ve got maybe 6-7 years on him.

Oh, and Peterson, he’s a Christian with traditional values. His solution to the incel problem is forced monogamy. He lectures his class on the alpha male. He’s more of a preacher than a teacher. I think he's creepy and maybe even a little dangerous.
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#34
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(Aug 13, 2018 07:54 AM)confused2 Wrote: Kenneth who (or what)?

It’s a song.  

What’s the frequency, Kenneth?

A guy attacked Dan Rather and kept asking him that mysterious question. No one understood his motive until 1997.  The attacker thought that the major broadcasting companies were beaming signals into his head and sending him messages.  He thought that if he knew the frequency he’d be able to stop them.  

The song is about the younger generation and the influence of the mass media.  It’s about an older person who wants to understand what drives the younger generation but ultimately fails in his attempt.
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#35
Syne Offline
(Aug 13, 2018 05:20 AM)Secular Sanity Wrote:
(Aug 13, 2018 02:58 AM)Ben the Donkey Wrote: What's the frequency, Kenneth?

Sarcasm doesn’t really work with him.  If you’re referring to a generational thing, I think you’ve got maybe 6-7 years on him.
Oh, I know the reference, just seems like meaningless trolling.
Quote:Oh, and Peterson, he’s a Christian with traditional values.  His solution to the incel problem is forced monogamy. He lectures his class on the alpha male.   He’s more of a preacher than a teacher.  I think he's creepy and maybe even a little dangerous.

Most Christians wouldn't say he is:

https://www.youtube-nocookie.com/embed/RIB05YeMiW8
And strong social norms for monogamy is very different from "forced" anything.

https://www.youtube-nocookie.com/embed/gNwIYOBpvLg

You've probably never bothered to learn any more about him than leftist straw men.
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#36
Secular Sanity Offline
(Aug 13, 2018 04:06 PM)Syne Wrote: You've probably never bothered to learn any more about him than leftist straw men.

Sorry, but I agree with Joe Rogan. That’s not going to clear the way for the guys that no one wants to fuck.  The idea is that there is a bunch of men out there that are taking up all the viable females because no one is getting married.


https://www.youtube-nocookie.com/embed/I4fpZ3vOdm4

OMG! Peterson would have been perfect for the Handmaid’s Tale.

"Blessed be the fruit."

Yeah, creepy.
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#37
Syne Offline
"They need to become men...we both agree on this." If there were more actual men, there would be more competition for women, and competition always improves a product. As it stands, men who dominate the sexual hierarchy have little reason to become less promiscuous...which is exactly what all the women wanting to snag a husband would really like, instead of settling for a lame provider.
Even in your video, Peterson says the socially enforced norm of monogamy wouldn't, itself, solve incels. It would just give them more hope that they can have some value as providers. In an increasingly promiscuous society, especially where the government offers financial incentive for single mothers, there is little value in a provider role...increasing the value of alpha males (those seen as socially/genetically superior to men who must trade resources for sex/companionship).

But you go right ahead and keep believing that these simple facts are horribly oppressive puritanical virtues. Ignore the fact that single mothers greatly contribute to crime, substance abuse, depression, etc..
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#38
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(Aug 13, 2018 05:15 PM)Syne Wrote: But you go right ahead and keep believing that these simple facts are horribly oppressive puritanical virtues. Ignore the fact that single mothers greatly contribute to crime, substance abuse, depression, etc..

Oh, hey, I have another crazy idea.  You could try treating them like human beings instead of sexual resources. You might even try to get to know them before trying to 'know' them. Who knows, maybe Adam really did know Eve.  

Beware the man with no female friends

I loved this bit!

"When you first meet someone and fall in love, your number one focus is to screen them for signs of sociopathy so you don’t wake up one day and find them knitting your hair."

If my neighbor had had a female friend, she could have given him some advice.

"Hey, open up. I'm lonely and I can't have sex with my dog."

Yeah, it puts lotion on its skin.  Confused
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#39
Syne Offline
(Aug 13, 2018 05:26 PM)Secular Sanity Wrote:
(Aug 13, 2018 05:15 PM)Syne Wrote: But you go right ahead and keep believing that these simple facts are horribly oppressive puritanical virtues. Ignore the fact that single mothers greatly contribute to crime, substance abuse, depression, etc..

Oh, hey, I have another crazy idea.  You could try treating them like human beings instead of sexual resources. You might even try to get to know them before trying to 'know' them. Who knows, maybe Adam really did know Eve.  
Men basically have two mating strategies. Be a provider, where the woman often withholds sex, both to ensue he and his resources stick around and because she knows she's settling (transactional sex for resources and security). Be an alpha, where you're not manipulating a woman with resources because you genuinely understand her and what she wants.

Now maybe in your little misandrist head you can somehow justify how a transactional relationship (hypergamy) is better or "treating them like human beings", but the only real way to get to know someone is to be honest. And that includes with your desires. Sex isn't shameful, and women don't always care how well they know the guy either.
Quote:Beware the man with no female friends

I loved this bit!

"When you first meet someone and fall in love, your number one focus is to screen them for signs of sociopathy so you don’t wake up one day and find them knitting your hair."
Written by a woman, who also admits:

"Last year, a Morning Consult poll found most Americans were wary of male-female interactions, with nearly two-thirds saying workers should take “extra caution” around members of the opposite sex. Most stunningly, a majority of women and nearly half of men said it was unacceptable to have dinner or drinks alone with someone of the opposite sex other than their spouse."

So is that "majority of women" also sociopaths? O_o

"And by friends, I don’t mean women he is hoping to one day wear down to date or sleep with. When I met my partner, this was one of the many things I liked about him. He had male friends, yes, but lots of female friends, too, many of whom he is still close to."

Poor naive little Guardian contributor. Yes, he does want to sleep with them, but wore you down first (the benefits of settling). Otherwise you would be jealous because it would have been obvious that he could get any woman he wanted...and had likely slept with many of those female friends before.
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#40
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(Aug 13, 2018 07:55 PM)Syne Wrote: Poor naive little Guardian contributor. Yes, he does want to sleep with them, but wore you down first (the benefits of settling).

A provider or protector, both of which I have no need. If that’s all men have to offer in the way of friendship then I guess I’m not really missing out on much, am I?

Good to know.

Thanks!
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