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Magical Realist
Mar 17, 2018 01:59 AM
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(Mar 16, 2018 11:15 PM)Syne Wrote: (Mar 16, 2018 10:22 PM)Magical Realist Wrote: Yeah SS. Having "a transcendental hole in your life" isn't a character flaw. lol!
Again, "I don't know". Plenty of good people live their whole lives without any transcendental experience. Her bringing it up non-sequitur might suggest she has some feeling on it, one way or the other, but that's her own consideration. Most of what we feel we personally lack in our lives is subjective, without any bearing on character at all.
But you are interested in attributing character flaws where only personal consideration in pertinent.
You're a theist. You seriously don't consider someone with a transcendental hole in their life as lesser of a person?
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Secular Sanity
Mar 17, 2018 02:08 AM
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(Mar 16, 2018 08:32 PM)Syne Wrote: (Mar 16, 2018 02:58 PM)Secular Sanity Wrote: Ah, let me guess. You actively practice lucid dreaming just like with your transcendental experiences and so you’re an expert. You’re special, aren’t you, Syne? No, I don't practice lucid dreaming, and I rarely have lucid dreams, as far as I can remember. Nor do I think lucid dreaming is transcendental. That's a silly notion that seems to betray you're poor grasp of the transcendental.
My doubt is wholly illustrated by your above mental gymnastics. This seeming need to assign to lucid dreaming, or even a good book, some misguided significance. Maybe there is a transcendental hole in your life. I don't know.
Speaking of gymnastics, it was pure sarcasm. What I expected was a little intellectual agility. Jeez!
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Syne
Mar 17, 2018 02:37 AM
(Mar 17, 2018 01:59 AM)Magical Realist Wrote: (Mar 16, 2018 11:15 PM)Syne Wrote: (Mar 16, 2018 10:22 PM)Magical Realist Wrote: Yeah SS. Having "a transcendental hole in your life" isn't a character flaw. lol!
Again, "I don't know". Plenty of good people live their whole lives without any transcendental experience. Her bringing it up non-sequitur might suggest she has some feeling on it, one way or the other, but that's her own consideration. Most of what we feel we personally lack in our lives is subjective, without any bearing on character at all.
But you are interested in attributing character flaws where only personal consideration in pertinent.
You're a theist. You seriously don't consider someone with a transcendental hole in their life as lesser of a person? Even a good many theists don't have truly transcendental experiences. It's not like transcendence is a requirement for being moral or going to heaven.
But I can see how a misunderstanding of both theism and transcendence could confuse you.
(Mar 17, 2018 02:08 AM)Secular Sanity Wrote: (Mar 16, 2018 08:32 PM)Syne Wrote: (Mar 16, 2018 02:58 PM)Secular Sanity Wrote: Ah, let me guess. You actively practice lucid dreaming just like with your transcendental experiences and so you’re an expert. You’re special, aren’t you, Syne? No, I don't practice lucid dreaming, and I rarely have lucid dreams, as far as I can remember. Nor do I think lucid dreaming is transcendental. That's a silly notion that seems to betray you're poor grasp of the transcendental.
My doubt is wholly illustrated by your above mental gymnastics. This seeming need to assign to lucid dreaming, or even a good book, some misguided significance. Maybe there is a transcendental hole in your life. I don't know.
Speaking of gymnastics, it was pure sarcasm. What I expected was a little intellectual agility. Jeez!
Which one, the "expert" snark or the "dreaming you're dreaming" nonsense?
Doesn't really matter, since this is a common excuse of yours. I guess we should just always assume you're discussing in bad faith.
No wonder you defend trolling.
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Secular Sanity
Mar 17, 2018 02:48 AM
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(Mar 17, 2018 02:37 AM)Syne Wrote: Which one, the "expert" snark or the "dreaming you're dreaming" nonsense?
Doesn't really matter, since this is a common excuse of yours. I guess we should just always assume you're discussing in bad faith.
No wonder you defend trolling.
It should have been apparent since I linked my comment. Do you have trouble grasping sarcasm, Syne?
As far as the dreams are concerned, I’m only reporting how they feel to me.
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Magical Realist
Mar 17, 2018 03:07 AM
Quote:But I can see how a misunderstanding of both theism and transcendence could confuse you.
That in itself sounds like an insult.
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Syne
Mar 17, 2018 03:17 AM
(Mar 17, 2018 02:48 AM)Secular Sanity Wrote: (Mar 17, 2018 02:37 AM)Syne Wrote: Which one, the "expert" snark or the "dreaming you're dreaming" nonsense?
Doesn't really matter, since this is a common excuse of yours. I guess we should just always assume you're discussing in bad faith.
No wonder you defend trolling.
It should have been apparent since I link my comment. Do you have trouble grasping sarcasm, Syne?
As far as the dreams are concerned, I’m only reporting how they feel to me.
Everyone has trouble identifying sarcasm in text alone. You're so snarky, it's hard to tell the difference.
So you "feel" like you're "dreaming you're dreaming". Okay.
Like I said, my question does seem to have been lost on you.
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Secular Sanity
Mar 17, 2018 04:14 PM
(Mar 17, 2018 03:17 AM)Syne Wrote: Like I said, my question does seem to have been lost on you.
Alright. Care to elaborate? I'm all ears.
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Ben the Donkey
Mar 17, 2018 05:32 PM
I've found that what I can remember of my dreams has a tendency to be representative of what I already know, so I don't pay much attention to them other than in assuming I was right all along.
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Zinjanthropos
Mar 17, 2018 05:54 PM
(Mar 17, 2018 05:32 PM)Ben the Donkey Wrote: I've found that what I can remember of my dreams has a tendency to be representative of what I already know, so I don't pay much attention to them other than in assuming I was right all along.
That's an assumption we can all make......you've been right all along
At some point in the evolution of life, dreaming came along. Although to be fair I'm going to assume micro organisms, plants and perhaps there's some other multi cellular creatures that don't dream.....although my assumptions are generally mistaken so WTF am I dreaming about?
Why would dreaming evolve? For me, evolution is all about an advantageous adaptation to environment. Environments change and species must adapt or perish. So what would dreaming be an adaptation for and why is it not too distressing to basically forget the dream? The only thing I can think of is that dreaming is a method whereby the brain stays alert to danger and perhaps forms strategies or mechanisms that provide aid in the event of real time peril. We forget them probably because it's an internal thing, as in the mind's recesses, retained in the subconscious if you will if only to hone the senses. Even that sounds kind of wishy-washy so I'd sure like to hear some ideas.
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Syne
Mar 17, 2018 10:15 PM
(Mar 17, 2018 04:14 PM)Secular Sanity Wrote: (Mar 17, 2018 03:17 AM)Syne Wrote: Like I said, my question does seem to have been lost on you.
Alright. Care to elaborate? I'm all ears. Clearly a waste of time.
(Mar 17, 2018 05:54 PM)Zinjanthropos Wrote: Why would dreaming evolve? For me, evolution is all about an advantageous adaptation to environment. Environments change and species must adapt or perish. So what would dreaming be an adaptation for and why is it not too distressing to basically forget the dream? The only thing I can think of is that dreaming is a method whereby the brain stays alert to danger and perhaps forms strategies or mechanisms that provide aid in the event of real time peril. We forget them probably because it's an internal thing, as in the mind's recesses, retained in the subconscious if you will if only to hone the senses. Even that sounds kind of wishy-washy so I'd sure like to hear some ideas.
Dreaming would seem to be overhead for a certain degree of neural capacity. It's like the brain is a capacitor that builds up charge (of all the stimuli we only process subconsciously) throughout the day and must be discharged during sleep to protect its functioning. It's not that dreaming confers adaptive advantage. It is just a side effect of a brain that does.
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