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The unwelcome return of race science

#31
Magical Realist Offline
Quote:People only have to do three things to avoid lifetime poverty.

LOL! So now you're blaming blacks for being in poverty? It never ends with you, making up excuses to think ill of black people you racist scum..If black people aren't pulling themselves up out of poverty, then they must be lazy eh?
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#32
Syne Offline
(Mar 8, 2018 01:34 AM)Magical Realist Wrote:
Quote:People only have to do three things to avoid lifetime poverty.

LOL! So now you're blaming blacks for being in poverty? It never ends with you, making up excuses to think ill of black people.

Your racism is getting old. You insist on assuming EVERY negative thing MUST be associated with blacks.
You just read the word "poverty" and "People" becomes "black people" in your twisted racist head.
So far you've assumed that blacks are the only ones who blame others, make bad decisions, and are poor.
Blacks are not the only poor people.
Blacks are not the only people who make bad decisions.
Blacks are not the only ones who blame others.

And, because racists like you don't seem to understand simple things, not all blacks suffer from those. Just like every other race.
Pull your racist head out of your ass already.
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#33
Magical Realist Offline
Quote:You insist on assuming EVERY negative thing MUST be associated with blacks.

That's what I'm talking about moron--racism and the rightwing mindset of blaming black people for their own problems. Which is exactly what you just did. You disgust me..

Here's what I said for the record:

"I've never heard of cultures like that. I think you're making shit up again to blame blacks for their problems. God forbid they would have something to do with things beyond their choices like poverty, single parent raising, and racism."
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#34
Secular Sanity Offline
(Mar 8, 2018 12:17 AM)Syne Wrote: Who said anything about being pure? Race and subspecies are both classifications of phenotype (appearance and behavior). In humans, we call it "race", but in every other species, we call it "subspecies". But it's the exact same differentiating criteria in either. IOW, race and subspecies are classification synonyms.

Where would you draw the line, hmm?

Human Races and Subspecies
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#35
Syne Offline
(Mar 8, 2018 01:55 AM)Magical Realist Wrote:
Quote:You insist on assuming EVERY negative thing MUST be associated with blacks.

That's what I'm talking about moron--racism and the rightwing mindset of blaming them for their own problems. Which is exactly what you just did. You disgust me..

That's called personal responsibility. Like I said, you wouldn't know anything about that sort of culture, because you think excusing the blame of others absolves you as well. And you couldn't care less that justifying their blame of others just ensures they remain a permanent underclass. You can't even seem to imagine that blacks are capable of simply graduating high school, getting a job, and getting married before having kids. You're either a vile racist, or a selfishly callous and antisocial narcissist. Really doesn't matter which, since the result is that same. You stand back to back with Klansmen, defending the exact same position. That blacks can't help themselves and are society's burden. You just use that position to justify keeping blacks economically subservient so you can blame whites and whoever else you blame for your own lot in life, while white supremacists use the position to blame blacks themselves.

The only non-racist/non-narcissistic position is the one where everyone is responsible for themselves.

However, narcissism is usually a cover for a fundamentally poor self image. Someone who secretly believes she is a bad person will be more motivated to do things to convince herself she’s a good person. Additionally, when confronted with evidence that something she did makes her a bad person, she is likely to act out in rage or denial (see narcissistic rage). The big problem with white narcissism, is while it may motivate some positive behavior, it also serves as a massive defense system that preserves subconscious racist behaviors.

To summarize: many progressive white people, deep down, probably worry they are racist due to their upbringing. This is painful to them, especially given our complete societal ostracization of racists, and they don’t want to believe it. So, they act in many ways to counter this on a high level (expressing anti racist views, shaming other people perceived as racist, maybe protesting or something, etc.) and then convince themselves that they aren’t racist. However, if you call them out on behavior that points out that, in some ways, they’re acting racist they will refuse to absorb this information. They will deny it, say they were misinterpreted, get angry, maybe apologize without any deeper understanding of what they did, because it is painful for the to touch that place that secretly worries they might be racist.

What it is very difficult for people acting out of white narcissism to do is empathize with people who have experienced racism. If someone brings up an incident with racism in it, their number one concern (as someone desperately trying to cover their own racism, even to themselves) will be how can I show that I am not like this racist person.
- https://medium.com/@emmalindsay/white-gu...6a29e9e995


You're oh so much more concerned with not looking like a racist than you are actually not acting like one.
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#36
Magical Realist Offline
Quote:The only non-racist/non-narcissistic position is the one where everyone is responsible for themselves.

Hey you're the only blaming blacks for being poor. Own what you just did and embrace your racist hatred. It will be therapeutic for you in the end.
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#37
Syne Offline
(Mar 8, 2018 02:27 AM)Secular Sanity Wrote:
(Mar 8, 2018 12:17 AM)Syne Wrote: Who said anything about being pure? Race and subspecies are both classifications of phenotype (appearance and behavior). In humans, we call it "race", but in every other species, we call it "subspecies". But it's the exact same differentiating criteria in either. IOW, race and subspecies are classification synonyms.

Where would you draw the line, hmm?

Human Races and Subspecies

Same as race. Broad phenotypic (appearance and/or behavior) differences.

Neanderthals are considered either a distinct species, Homo neanderthalensis, or more rarely a subspecies of Homo sapiens (H. s. neanderthalensis).
- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neanderthal


If you are of the few who classify neanderthal as a subspecies, then race is below the level of subspecies classification.

In biological taxonomy, race is an informal rank in the taxonomic hierarchy, below the level of subspecies.
- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_%28biology%29


Since race is an informal term, it really doesn't matter much where you choose to place it. Subspecies just seems to be the closest scientific classification.

(Mar 8, 2018 03:20 AM)Magical Realist Wrote:
Quote:The only non-racist/non-narcissistic position is the one where everyone is responsible for themselves.

Hey you're the only blaming blacks for being poor. Own what you just did and embrace your racist hatred. It will be therapeutic for you in the end.

Nope. Again you are the racist assuming a bad thing only applies to blacks.
ALL PEOPLE are to blame for their own lot in life. <--You probably can't manage to read this sentence as written, since it includes you, and the cognitive dissonance is far too powerful.

You're sounding like the evil emperor, trying to convert people to the dark side, e.g. "embrace your hatred".
Yes, we realize you're a racist. And yes, we realize that you're lonely over there.
No, we won't join you in assuming that only one race makes bad decisions, blames others, or is poor. That is hate speech. Quit doing it.
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#38
Magical Realist Offline
Quote:ALL PEOPLE are to blame for their own lot in life.

LOL! More bigoted bullshit so you can attribute all failure in life to a character flaw. Blacks are not responsible for being born into poverty or a racist society or their upbringing or any of the myriad of genetic drawbacks that afflict humans. Their disadvantages are real and are not their fault. There is no moral issue here. It is just a fact of life. That's why they need all the help they can get, just as we all do. And getting help doesn't make you more dependent, it makes you more independent.
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#39
Syne Offline
(Mar 8, 2018 03:58 AM)Magical Realist Wrote:
Quote:ALL PEOPLE are to blame for their own lot in life.

LOL! More bigoted bullshit so you can attribute all failure in life to a character flaw. Blacks are not responsible for being born into poverty or a racist society or their unbringing or any of the myriad of genetic drawbacks that afflict humans. Their disadvantages are real and are not their fault. There is no moral issue here. It is just a fact of life, And that's why they need all the help they can get, just as we all do.

Nope. Still your bigoted bullshit. No one said anyone was responsible for "being born into poverty or a racist society or their unbringing (sic)". Everyone is responsible for their own reaction to these, but they cannot control the actions of others. You cannot help that you may have been abused as a child, but you can decide not to become an abuser yourself. You cannot help if you were born poor, but you can decide to make the three simple choices that will get you out of poverty. Generational poverty is caused by using the former as an excuse for not doing the latter. That is a personal failing, but unlike you keep demanding, this is true of any race.
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#40
Magical Realist Offline
Quote:Everyone is responsible for their own reaction to these

Reactions will not undo the disadvantages of being born into poverty or being discriminated against or having no role models as a kid. They remain obstacles burned into their brains that even predetermine the will to react at all and how to react. Not everyone is ingrained with the ambition and self-confidence it takes to overcome their setbacks. In fact most aren't. That's what the disadvantages do. They prelimit the kind of person you become and sap you of your ability to better yourself. That's why outside help is needed. It is NOT a personal failing. It is a disadvantage that must be compensated for to get them even with those not born with them. That's why we continue to help the disadvantaged. Because they have little hope otherwise.

https://www.princeton.edu/futureofchildr..._02_03.pdf
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