Is ESP real?

[RainbowUnicorn]

it suggests that scientific proof by its very nature is not as much a law, but rather a statistical probabillity.

Just MHO opinion of course but I would wager the probability of people seeing/predicting future events is overwhelmingly less than the chances of people believing or convinced it can be done. To paraphrase Hume: All that's left of of human understanding, in this deep ignorance and obscurity is to be skeptical, or at least cautious.......

Do I think science is right about all they claim to know? A very good chance there are some things not right, so the answer is no.

hhmm wasnt trying to be lecturious per say.
was meaning more soo about the stuff we dont know that we dont know in a statistical frame work kinda sciency way.

[Magical Realist]

As a placeholder for the unknown, it's nonsensical to talk about the "realm of psi". As such, the "reality of psi phenomena" is pure fantasy or wishful thinking.

No it isn't a placeholder like X. It is the name for a phenomenon studied by parapsychologists for over a century now consisting of such diverse manifestations as telepathy, clairovoyance, pk, remote viewing, medium abilities, precognition, poltergeists, out of body experiences, healing, and synchronicity. And there are mountains of data,both anecdotal and experimental, supporting it's existence. Flat assertions to the contrary will not suffice.

http://archived.parapsych.org/what_is_psi_varvoglis.htm

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Physicist Russell Targ's compelling research into remote viewing with the US govt.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_conti...Bl0cwyn5GY

[Syne]

As a placeholder for the unknown, it's nonsensical to talk about the "realm of psi". As such, the "reality of psi phenomena" is pure fantasy or wishful thinking.

No it isn't a placeholder like X. It is the name for a phenomenon studied by parapsychologists for over a century now consisting of such diverse manifestations as telepathy, clairovoyance, pk, remote viewing, medium abilities, precognition, poltergeists, out of body experiences, healing, and synchronicity.
http://archived.parapsych.org/what_is_psi_varvoglis.htm

Hey, you can conflate the term as a synonym for parapsychology (hint: parapsychologists study parapsychology), but a synonym has no more independent meaning than a placeholder.


"What is Psi?
These days, the word 'psi' has almost become synonymous with the word 'parapsychology'. But what does it mean?

As well as being derived from the Greek work psyche (meaning "soul" or "mind"), psi is the 23rd letter of the Greek alphabet. In the 1940's, it was proposed by B.P. Weisner and R.H. Thouless that psi be used as a general blanket term to identify anomalous processes and causation. Used as an adjective or noun, psi provides a neutral substitute for terms like extra sensory perception (ESP), psychokinesis (PK), or even the survival of bodily death. Since the term is purely descriptive, it neither implies that such anomalous phenomena are paranormal nor connotes anything about their underlying mechanisms.

Some researchers have come to think that ESP and PK might simply be different aspects of a single process, rather than being distinct and essentially unique phenomena. Sometimes psi is used to reflect this kind of thinking. Others prefer to use psi as a purely descriptive term for anomalous outcomes. In other words, psi can be used to describe the anomalous outcome of a laboratory experiment, without the researcher being required to choose between culturally connotated words like clairvoyance, telepathy, or psychokinesis.

Since the 1940's, the field has embraced this practice, and the usage of the term is widespread. Nowadays you'll find many scholars who refer to themselves as psi researchers, work at psi laboratories, look for psi in their experiments, read psi journals, and go to psi conferences."
- http://publicparapsychology.blogspot.com...s-psi.html

And there are mountains of data,both anecdotal and experimental, supporting it's existence. Flat assertions to the contrary will not suffice.

Nope, the burden for your assertions is yours alone. Otherwise you're just the typical crank crying "prove me wrong".
The "anomalous" quite literally cannot be verified by experiment.

Physicist Russell Targ's compelling research into remote viewing with the US govt.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_conti...Bl0cwyn5GY

Where are papers detailing the evidence? You know, aside from anecdote.

[Magical Realist]

These days, the word 'psi' has almost become synonymous with the word 'parapsychology'.

Thanks for confirming that. No placeholder here.

Nope, the burden for your assertions is yours alone. Otherwise you're just the typical crank crying "prove me wrong".

Nope..the evidence has been provided in the videos. Your assertions that esp isn't real or is wishful thinking is simply unevidenced statements with no substance.

Where are papers detailing the evidence? You know, aside from anecdote.

You didn't see the drawings in the video? What are you, retarded?

[Syne]

These days, the word 'psi' has almost become synonymous with the word 'parapsychology'.

Thanks for confirming that. No placeholder here.

Except insomuch as parapsychology is, itself, a placeholder. But you tell me.
Is parapsychology purely a descriptive study...merely cataloging things people claim to experience?
Or is parapsychology an empirical study...of completely unknown mechanisms?

Nope, the burden for your assertions is yours alone. Otherwise you're just the typical crank crying "prove me wrong".

Nope..the evidence has been provided in the videos. Your assertions that esp isn't real or is wishful thinking is simply unevidenced statements with no substance.

You still don't understand what scientific evidence entails. And the default null hypothesis requires no evidence. Only the positive assertion bears the burden of proof.

Where are papers detailing the evidence? You know, aside from anecdote.

You didn't see the drawings in the video? What are you, retarded?

Really? "Drawings"? Wow, that's earth-shattering! [/sarcasm]

You've obviously drank the Kool-aid.

[Magical Realist]

Except insomuch as parapsychology is, itself, a placeholder. But you tell me.
Is parapsychology purely a descriptive study...merely cataloging things people claim to experience?
Or is parapsychology an empirical study...of completely unknown mechanisms?

"Parapsychology is a field of study concerned with the investigation of paranormal and psychic phenomena which include telepathy, precognition, clairvoyance, psychokinesis, near-death experiences, reincarnation, apparitional experiences, and other paranormal claims."---https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parapsychology

You still don't understand what scientific evidence entails.

Scientific studies and tests of subjects IS scientific evidence. There's no way you can deny that.

Really? "Drawings"? Wow, that's earth-shattering! [/sarcasm]

You've obviously drank the Kool-aid.

You're the one bitching about lack of paperwork. As if that is somehow more compelling than the scientist himself describing his experiments. What's wrong? You don't believe what scientists report anymore?

[Syne]

Except insomuch as parapsychology is, itself, a placeholder. But you tell me.
Is parapsychology purely a descriptive study...merely cataloging things people claim to experience?
Or is parapsychology an empirical study...of completely unknown mechanisms?

"Parapsychology is a field of study concerned with the investigation of paranormal and psychic phenomena which include telepathy, precognition, clairvoyance, psychokinesis, near-death experiences, reincarnation, apparitional experiences, and other paranormal claims."---https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parapsychology

So "things people claim to experience". Got it. Any causes for such experience, assuming their veracity, is completely unknown.

You still don't understand what scientific evidence entails.

Scientific studies and tests of subjects IS scientific evidence. There's no way you can deny that.

"Scientific" denotes a methodology you've never shown to be followed by any such "studies and tests".

Really? "Drawings"? Wow, that's earth-shattering! [/sarcasm]

You've obviously drank the Kool-aid.

You're the one bitching about lack of paperwork. As if that is somehow more compelling than the scientist himself describing his experiments. What's wrong? You don't believe what scientists report anymore?

LOL! Research papers/studies are not "drawings" nor "paperwork". Are you seriously THAT retarded? O_o

"describing his experiments" is vague, hand-wavy nonsense where methodology and controls are completely glossed over.
I don't accept ANYTHING on authority alone (appeal to authority). Obviously you do.

[Magical Realist]

I don't accept ANYTHING on authority alone (appeal to authority).

Everybody's an authority on what they did and experienced. It's how we get probably 90% of our information about the world.

Research papers/studies are not "drawings" nor "paperwork".

Research papers aren't paperwork? lol! And with that gem I bid you adieu!

[Syne]

I don't accept ANYTHING on authority alone (appeal to authority).

Everybody's an authority on what they did and experienced. It's how we get probably 90% of our information about the world.

So it is just a cataloging of subjective experiences.

And only demonstrates how you conflate experience with evidence.

Research papers/studies are not "drawings" nor "paperwork".

Research papers aren't paperwork? lol! And with that gem I bid you adieu!

paperwork - routine clerical or record-keeping work often incidental to a more important task

Run along...tail between your legs.

[Magical Realist]

The Presentiment Effect:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xWinUxW9HAg