Stephen Paddock was prescribed anti-anxiety medication

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(Oct 5, 2017 04:11 AM)Syne Wrote:
(Oct 5, 2017 12:16 AM)Magical Realist Wrote: Kirstie Alley and her scientologist cronies are on to something. Overly aggressive people are often prescribed sedating meds. There's also an alarming useage of aspirin among migraine victims. Obviously the aspirin is causing the migraines.

Where is "aggression" listed as an indicator for a Valium prescription?

"Valium is indicated for the management of anxiety disorders or for the shortterm relief of the symptoms of anxiety. Anxiety or tension associated with the stress of everyday life usually does not require treatment with an anxiolytic. In acute alcohol withdrawal, Valium may be useful in the symptomatic relief of acute agitation, tremor, impending or acute delirium tremens and hallucinosis.

Valium is a useful adjunct for the relief of skeletal muscle spasm due to reflex spasm to local pathology (such as inflammation of the muscles or joints, or secondary to trauma), spasticity caused by upper motor neuron disorders (such as cerebral palsy and paraplegia), athetosis, and stiff-man syndrome.

Oral Valium may be used adjunctively in convulsive disorders, although it has not proved useful as the sole therapy.

The effectiveness of Valium in long-term use, that is, more than 4 months, has not been assessed by systematic clinical studies. The physician should periodically reassess the usefulness of the drug for the individual patient." - https://www.rxlist.com/valium-drug.htm

Benzodiazepines (the class of drug that valium is in) are not indicated for aggression disorders, and only have aggression as paradoxical reaction to the drug:

"Paradoxical reactions, such as increased seizures in epileptics, aggression, violence, impulsivity, irritability and suicidal behavior sometimes occur. These reactions have been explained as consequences of disinhibition and the subsequent loss of control over socially unacceptable behavior." - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benzodiaze...al_effects


And pain relievers overused for headaches have proven to increase their severity due to the rebound effect. While not migraines, people often mistake them as such.

Anxiety, stress and irritability are often mixed up together, leading to aggressive behaviors.

https://www.calmclinic.com/anxiety/sympt...n-violence
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(Oct 5, 2017 04:32 AM)Magical Realist Wrote:
(Oct 5, 2017 04:11 AM)Syne Wrote:
(Oct 5, 2017 12:16 AM)Magical Realist Wrote: Kirstie Alley and her scientologist cronies are on to something. Overly aggressive people are often prescribed sedating meds. There's also an alarming useage of aspirin among migraine victims. Obviously the aspirin is causing the migraines.

Where is "aggression" listed as an indicator for a Valium prescription?

"Valium is indicated for the management of anxiety disorders or for the shortterm relief of the symptoms of anxiety. Anxiety or tension associated with the stress of everyday life usually does not require treatment with an anxiolytic. In acute alcohol withdrawal, Valium may be useful in the symptomatic relief of acute agitation, tremor, impending or acute delirium tremens and hallucinosis.

Valium is a useful adjunct for the relief of skeletal muscle spasm due to reflex spasm to local pathology (such as inflammation of the muscles or joints, or secondary to trauma), spasticity caused by upper motor neuron disorders (such as cerebral palsy and paraplegia), athetosis, and stiff-man syndrome.

Oral Valium may be used adjunctively in convulsive disorders, although it has not proved useful as the sole therapy.

The effectiveness of Valium in long-term use, that is, more than 4 months, has not been assessed by systematic clinical studies. The physician should periodically reassess the usefulness of the drug for the individual patient." - https://www.rxlist.com/valium-drug.htm

Benzodiazepines (the class of drug that valium is in) are not indicated for aggression disorders, and only have aggression as paradoxical reaction to the drug:

"Paradoxical reactions, such as increased seizures in epileptics, aggression, violence, impulsivity, irritability and suicidal behavior sometimes occur. These reactions have been explained as consequences of disinhibition and the subsequent loss of control over socially unacceptable behavior." - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benzodiaze...al_effects


And pain relievers overused for headaches have proven to increase their severity due to the rebound effect. While not migraines, people often mistake them as such.

Anxiety, stress and irritability are often mixed up together, leading to aggressive behaviors.

https://www.calmclinic.com/anxiety/sympt...n-violence

Then where is the history of violence/aggression from this guy?
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#13
(Oct 5, 2017 04:46 AM)Syne Wrote:
(Oct 5, 2017 04:32 AM)Magical Realist Wrote:
(Oct 5, 2017 04:11 AM)Syne Wrote:
(Oct 5, 2017 12:16 AM)Magical Realist Wrote: Kirstie Alley and her scientologist cronies are on to something. Overly aggressive people are often prescribed sedating meds. There's also an alarming useage of aspirin among migraine victims. Obviously the aspirin is causing the migraines.

Where is "aggression" listed as an indicator for a Valium prescription?

"Valium is indicated for the management of anxiety disorders or for the shortterm relief of the symptoms of anxiety. Anxiety or tension associated with the stress of everyday life usually does not require treatment with an anxiolytic. In acute alcohol withdrawal, Valium may be useful in the symptomatic relief of acute agitation, tremor, impending or acute delirium tremens and hallucinosis.

Valium is a useful adjunct for the relief of skeletal muscle spasm due to reflex spasm to local pathology (such as inflammation of the muscles or joints, or secondary to trauma), spasticity caused by upper motor neuron disorders (such as cerebral palsy and paraplegia), athetosis, and stiff-man syndrome.

Oral Valium may be used adjunctively in convulsive disorders, although it has not proved useful as the sole therapy.

The effectiveness of Valium in long-term use, that is, more than 4 months, has not been assessed by systematic clinical studies. The physician should periodically reassess the usefulness of the drug for the individual patient." - https://www.rxlist.com/valium-drug.htm

Benzodiazepines (the class of drug that valium is in) are not indicated for aggression disorders, and only have aggression as paradoxical reaction to the drug:

"Paradoxical reactions, such as increased seizures in epileptics, aggression, violence, impulsivity, irritability and suicidal behavior sometimes occur. These reactions have been explained as consequences of disinhibition and the subsequent loss of control over socially unacceptable behavior." - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benzodiaze...al_effects


And pain relievers overused for headaches have proven to increase their severity due to the rebound effect. While not migraines, people often mistake them as such.

Anxiety, stress and irritability are often mixed up together, leading to aggressive behaviors.

https://www.calmclinic.com/anxiety/sympt...n-violence

Then where is the history of violence/aggression from this guy?


The people at Starbucks said he was rude to his wife all the time. Plus he had extensive experience with using different kinds of guns, which is like really violent to what you are shooting at. His dad was also a psychotic career criminal. Good enough indications right there. Trying to excuse his behavior as a side effect of a medication smells of the old anti-medication agenda of many who must exploit incidents like these just to prove their beliefs.
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(Oct 5, 2017 04:58 AM)Magical Realist Wrote: Plus he had extensive experience with using different kinds of guns, which is like really violent to what you are shooting at.

Everyone who shoots guns is violent?
Aren't you violent when you kill a fly or spider? Or do you have your boyfriend do that?

So you or your boyfriend should be on anti-anxiety meds?

Quote:Trying to excuse his behavior as a side effect of a medication smells of the old anti-medication agenda of many who must exploit incidents like these just to prove their beliefs.

I haven't seen anyone excuse the behavior, but it seems like you're using it to justify your own opinion of such medications. Rolleyes

You'll note how I only posted well-sourced facts.
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#15
Quote:Everyone who shoots guns is violent?

It's certainly a prelude to violence. Everyone who shoots automatic weapons in target practice does so to be able to do violence to a human being. It's what they're trying to become good at doing.

Quote:You'll note how I only posted well-sourced facts.

So cite me the statistical frequency for the paradoxical effect of valium.
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(Oct 5, 2017 05:46 AM)Magical Realist Wrote:
Quote:Everyone who shoots guns is violent?

It's certainly a prelude to violence. Everyone who shoots automatic weapons in target practice does so to be able to do violence to a human being. It's what they're trying to become good at doing.
No so. There are purely sport shooters.
But do you rate self-defense as an equivalent violence to assault? Dodgy
Isn't that a form of blaming the victim and minimizing or excusing the offender by equivocating their self-defense with the violence of the actual assailant? O_o



You didn't answer my question. So are you already on anti-anxiety meds?
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Quote:You'll note how I only posted well-sourced facts.

So cite me the statistical frequency for the paradoxical effect of valium.
"Paradoxical effects of benzodiazepines appear to be dose related, that is, likelier to occur with higher doses.

In a letter to the British Medical Journal, it was reported that a high proportion of parents referred for actual or threatened child abuse were taking drugs at the time, often a combination of benzodiazepines and tricyclic antidepressants. Many mothers described that instead of feeling less anxious or depressed, they became more hostile and openly aggressive towards the child as well as to other family members while consuming tranquilizers. The author warned that environmental or social stresses such as difficulty coping with a crying baby combined with the effects of tranquilizers may precipitate a child abuse event.

Self aggression has been reported and also demonstrated in laboratory conditions in a clinical study. Diazepam was found to increase people's willingness to harm themselves." - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paradoxica...diazepines


"Paradoxical reactions to benzodiazepines such as increased seizures (in epileptics), aggression, increased anxiety, violent behavior, loss of impulse control, irritability and suicidal behavior sometimes occur (although they are rare in the general population, with an incidence rate below 1%).

These paradoxical effects occur with greater frequency in recreational abusers, individuals with mental disorders, children, and patients on high-dosage regimes." - https://psychonautwiki.org/wiki/Diazepam...al_effects




Now cite me the statistical frequency for aggression and violence due to anxiety alone (excluding rebound anxiety as well).
"Aggression and violence may not be "common" in those with anxiety..." - https://www.calmclinic.com/anxiety/sympt...n-violence
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#17
Quote:But do you rate self-defense as an equivalent violence to assault? Dodgy
Isn't that a form of blaming the victim and minimizing or excusing the offender by equivocating their self-defense with the violence of the actual assailant? O_o

Shooting a person is committing a violent act regardless of the reason.

Quote:"Paradoxical effects of benzodiazepines appear to be dose related, that is, likelier to occur with higher doses.

In a letter to the British Medical Journal, it was reported that a high proportion of parents referred for actual or threatened child abuse were taking drugs at the time, often a combination of benzodiazepines and tricyclic antidepressants. Many mothers described that instead of feeling less anxious or depressed, they became more hostile and openly aggressive towards the child as well as to other family members while consuming tranquilizers. The author warned that environmental or social stresses such as difficulty coping with a crying baby combined with the effects of tranquilizers may precipitate a child abuse event.

Self aggression has been reported and also demonstrated in laboratory conditions in a clinical study. Diazepam was found to increase people's willingness to harm themselves." - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paradoxica...diazepines


"Paradoxical reactions to benzodiazepines such as increased seizures (in epileptics), aggression, increased anxiety, violent behavior, loss of impulse control, irritability and suicidal behavior sometimes occur (although they are rare in the general population, with an incidence rate below 1%).

These paradoxical effects occur with greater frequency in recreational abusers, individuals with mental disorders, children, and patients on high-dosage regimes."

Wow..lower than 1%, more common at high doses with recreational users, and a quoted study of aggression when mixed with antidepressants. Guess that rules out the shooter then. Tks for confirming that.
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News reports says Stephen Paddock was buying guns and bump attachments up to a year before the shooting. This takes his plans to far earlier than July when he was prescribed Valium. He was determined. He planned it out meticulously. And he kept it secret. That's not some transient affect of a medication. It came from who he was--a psychotic asshole.
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(Oct 5, 2017 07:04 AM)Magical Realist Wrote:
Quote:But do you rate self-defense as an equivalent violence to assault?
Shooting a person is committing a violent act regardless of the reason.
You didn't answer the question, so we can only assume you do equate the two. You're a vile excuse for a human.
Quote:Wow..lower than 1%, more common at high doses with recreational users, and a quoted study of aggression when mixed with antidepressants. Guess that rules out the shooter then. Tks for confirming that.
Again, who said the meds were causative? And again, are you on such meds? Sure sounds like you are protesting too much for something no one has claimed.
(Oct 5, 2017 07:36 PM)Magical Realist Wrote: News reports says Stephen Paddock was buying guns and bump attachments up to a year before the shooting. This takes his plans to far earlier than July when he was prescribed Valium. He was determined. He planned it out meticulously. And he kept it secret. That's not some transient affect of a medication. It came from who he was--a psychotic asshole.
Sure, because no one collects guns except for mass murders. Rolleyes
Where's the history of mental problems? His father? With no other significant indicators?
I get that it comforts you to just label it "psychotic asshole". A lot of people jump to conclusions for the same reason. It was unpredictable and unstoppable. That messes with people.
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