You’re not entitled to your opinion

[RainbowUnicorn]

re-reading the 1st post
if you can not provide arguement to validate your opinion then your opinion is of no value...
co-signed to subjective "entitlement" through social media sociopathic valuation.

It probably pays to keep in mind that social media was not and is not designed to give voice or a format for discussion to common people.
It is designed to make money from peoples attention spans.

The miss perception that people wish to maintain and fortify that they are "informed" simply because of their level of interaction on social media channels is purely servicing the Ego rather than the mind.

how does this marry with modern trending ideas around voter rights and the perception of pay per view profit orientated ideological validation ?

(i hope thats helpful)

[C C]

I definitely thought you are on Syne's side and being as supportive or him as CC is. CC strongly supports Syne with positive points, and they tend to make a person more self-confident, thinking they are doing the right thing. While the negative points have the opposite effect.

Not too long ago SciVillage only had a tiny amount of members participating on a regular basis. As long as newcomers weren't spammers in disguise I'd give them points so they would feel more encouraged to participate. If they started discussions or kicked them along, were sci-tech or philosophical slash critically thinking oriented -- for any of those reasons I'd especially make sure they garnered an adequate rep. I didn't care if they had views, interests, or attitudes that might clash with other perspectives, because a mix of differences often seems to be what fuels activity on other boards.

But SciVillage has reached the point where it can run itself now without volunteer "daycare" nudging it along in the background, such as me anachronistically assessing affairs in the context of an earlier era of the forum. Time for all of us henceforth to be left to "fend on our own" as far as rep points.

[Carol]

I definitely thought you are on Syne's side and being as supportive or him as CC is.  CC strongly supports Syne with positive points, and they tend to make a person more self-confident, thinking they are doing the right thing.   While the negative points have the opposite effect.

Not too long ago SciVillage only had a tiny amount of members participating on a regular basis. As long as newcomers weren't spammers in disguise I'd give them points so they would feel more encouraged to participate. If they started discussions or kicked them along, were sci-tech or philosophical slash critically thinking oriented -- for any of those reasons I'd especially make sure they garnered an adequate rep. I didn't care if they had views, interests, or attitudes that might clash with other perspectives, because a mix of differences often seems to be what fuels activity on other boards.

But SciVillage has reached the point where it can run itself now without volunteer "daycare" nudging it along in the background, such as me anachronistically assessing affairs in the context of an earlier era of the forum. Time for all of us henceforth to be left to "fend on our own" as far as rep points.

CC, I may have dropped out soon after becoming a member if it had not been for your positive points.  I think what you are doing is very important and should be continued.  In old neighborhoods there would be a welcoming committee and people made an effort to be neighborly.  It appears my thread on human values has died for lack of interest, but we are also talking about drone policing and drones used for warfare.   This forum is set up to rely on technology for policing, but also to rely on us policing each other.  There is nothing more important for us to talk about right now, than human values.  And I would really will feel terrible if my conflict with Syne put an end to the all the good you are doing CC.

Perhaps we should consider the damage caused by the conflict between Syne and myself?    The problem is not just between him and myself.  I have a negative reaction to his insults and personal attacks, and when I refused to engage him unless he is respectful, he began hitting me with negative points, countering all the good of your positive points CC.  My experience here became negative and that resulted in me having a negative point of view and assuming others are opposed to me too, as though I brought in the problem into other wise positive forum. Everyone is getting sucked into what is happening between Syne myself.  If I leave and stay gone will that resolve the problem?  

Somehow the problem needs to be resolved because it is so destructive, and I like the fact that the owner has left it up to everyone to resolve it.   You can all vote me in or out by giving me a positive point for in or a negative for out

[Secular Sanity]

Somehow the problem needs to be resolved because it is so destructive, and I like the fact that the owner has left it up to everyone to resolve it.   You can all vote me in or out by giving me a positive point for in or a negative for out

Truth be known, Ms. Carol, the way you’ve been handling yourself forced me to contemplate the idea of whether or not you could be a sockpuppet or a troll.  If you are simply a new member searching for a place to bounce ideas and questions around then I’d suggest that you cut back on the lectures.

I enjoy arguing with Syne.  I don’t dislike him.  I don’t even know him. I don’t know anything about his personal life.  I don’t how old he is, what he looks like, or where he’s from.  It’s not personal.  He’s completely anonymous.  We have different perspectives, that’s all.  I like poking at him because he’s challenging.  In debates, emotional control is the key.  If I can piss him off, it gives me a huge advantage.  You can tell when it happens.  He starts to make uncharacteristic grammar errors…bwahaha.

I’m not fighting with Syne.  We’re just sparring.  Challenging each other’s cognitive biases, opinions, and beliefs.  But just so you know…I’m usually right.  

Stop worrying about what other people think about you and find out what they think about the world in which we live. Put on your hardhat, take off your rose colored glasses, and join us, won’t you, Ms. Carol?  We’ll take you down a few rabbit holes.  I think you’ll like it.  Physics adds a whole new dimension to your perspective.  A rainbow is no longer just a rainbow.  It’s like seeing things again through a child's eyes.

[C C]

It appears my thread on human values has died for lack of interest, but we are also talking about drone policing and drones used for warfare. This forum is set up to rely on technology for policing, but also to rely on us policing each other. There is nothing more important for us to talk about right now, than human values.

Simply setting that this is a "value issue" without consulting rivals could in itself be construed by those other groups as the haughtiness of that thought orientation which is dispensing such a mandate or instruction.

The ideal "value" of a group lowering its own moral arrogance / survival interests and respecting the values of groups which one's own group cannot tolerate or allow is something that wouldn't be exercised no matter how much lip service was given to it. The ensuing rhetoric and propaganda would introduce special exemptions for such a "global" value. Systematic disparagement or outright instituting a category of "sub-human" for, say, KKK / ISIS type ideologies. Thus in the end there's still only the practical negotiations (the surrendering / compromising of values) or the actual waging of a conflict (playing out til one or more factions fold) -- those two options as what usually transpires in history.

And I would really will feel terrible if my conflict with Syne put an end to the all the good you are doing CC.

Maybe what we need is an "Airing of Grievances" subforum (extracted from the Festivus tradition of the Costanza family). That can also double as a place for personal feuds to be carried out in or migrated to if they are disrupting other threads. I'm only tossing that out into the public square as a half-formed idea that could either be refined or stimulate something better.

That this forum has "matured" to the point of having "conflicts" is a sign that it's time for any so-called "good" on my part (born in the early days of SciVillage) to be retired at this stage.

[Carol]

Somehow the problem needs to be resolved because it is so destructive, and I like the fact that the owner has left it up to everyone to resolve it.   You can all vote me in or out by giving me a positive point for in or a negative for out

Truth be known, Ms. Carol, the way you’ve been handling yourself forced me to contemplate the idea of whether or not you could be a sockpuppet or a troll.  If you are simply a new member searching for a place to bounce ideas and questions around then I’d suggest that you cut back on the lectures.

I enjoy arguing with Syne.  I don’t dislike him.  I don’t even know him. I don’t know anything about his personal life.  I don’t how old he is, what he looks like, or where he’s from.  It’s not personal.  He’s completely antonymous.  We have different perspectives, that’s all.  I like poking at him because he’s challenging.  In debates, emotional control is the key.  If I can piss him off, it gives me a huge advantage.  You can tell when it happens.  He starts to make uncharacteristic grammar errors…bwahaha.

I’m not fighting with Syne.  We’re just sparring.  Challenging each other’s cognitive biases, opinions, and beliefs.  But just so you know…I’m usually right.  

Stop worrying about what other people think about you and find out what they think about the world in which we live. Put on your hardhat, take off your rose colored glasses, and join us, won’t you, Ms. Carol?  We’ll take you down a few rabbit holes.  I think you’ll like it.  Physics adds a whole new dimension to your perspective.  A rainbow is no longer just a rainbow.  It’s like seeing things again through a child's eyes.

You can count me out.

[Secular Sanity]

You can count me out.

Holy shit!  *shakes head* Maybe it’s me that needs to take off the rose colored glasses.    

At first glance, I could have sworn that she said, "You can count on me."

"The person is like a wise fisherman who cast his net into the sea and drew it up from the sea full of little fish. Among them the wise fisherman discovered a fine large fish. He threw all the little fish back into the sea, and easily chose the large fish. Anyone here with two good ears had better listen!"

Perhaps the little ones just need more time to grow.

Oh, well, you win some, you lose some.

C'est la vie.

[RainbowUnicorn]

I definitely thought you are on Syne's side and being as supportive or him as CC is.  CC strongly supports Syne with positive points, and they tend to make a person more self-confident, thinking they are doing the right thing.   While the negative points have the opposite effect.

Not too long ago SciVillage only had a tiny amount of members participating on a regular basis. As long as newcomers weren't spammers in disguise I'd give them points so they would feel more encouraged to participate. If they started discussions or kicked them along, were sci-tech or philosophical slash critically thinking oriented -- for any of those reasons I'd especially make sure they garnered an adequate rep. I didn't care if they had views, interests, or attitudes that might clash with other perspectives, because a mix of differences often seems to be what fuels activity on other boards.

But SciVillage has reached the point where it can run itself now without volunteer "daycare" nudging it along in the background, such as me anachronistically assessing affairs in the context of an earlier era of the forum. Time for all of us henceforth to be left to "fend on our own" as far as rep points.

being somewhat new i was not familiarised with the mechanism of Rep points.
i thought they were a collective margin of online and posting count numbers like an activity monitor count points system lolz
Carol was my first rep points i gave and now it looks like my last.
fair enough. i came back to put some on for you CC because i wanted to agree with your conviviality of group support ethos
commendable.
in a western world of hijacked popularity polls and miss directed pay perview media channels, maybe its better to not have any form of polling around the board.
let us be the innovators, renovators & culminators not just arbitrary instigators.

as you were

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everyone has buttons.
sometimes we get into patterns of behaviour for one reason or another.
christmass is a bizar time of year as it mashes things up.
expectations,, hopes, dreams, wins, losses, failures, desires, ideals, darkness, light...
it mashes it all up into a big lump and rolls it around in public and private life pervading all realms of basic human interaction.

sometimes(yes myself included) we get into patterns of behaviours which allows buttons to have their normal "break glass" cover removed and just sitting there where people can see them and push them, and if there is one thng i know for sure, it is that some people will always push the button no matter what it says or what it does, just to be able to push it.

Thats why you would never have the nuclear launch button sitting there, because you can guarantee millions(literally) of people would have pushed it at some stage in their life.
hopefully to see now that at such a time they had completely disconnected with the reality of them being in a better place today.


If you identify your pattern, and feel liek your kinda spinnign your wheels or looping in circles, or on th emerry go round and you realise
"i want to get off"
you need to make small changes, recognise that your in this pattern, and then start to gradually steer out of the circle.
give yourself some emotional room to move so your not reacting to everything.
put up little sign boards in your mid for yourself "im reacting take 5 maybe dont respond and come back to this later when im feeling more centred, rather than reactive"
passion is awesome, but emotionally thrashing about because you need to create some more personal space and deal with some issue or take things a little slower, is a commonly miss understood idea of what passion truly is.

hope that doesnt sound lecturious.
P.S oh yeah i forgot a real big one for christmass and new years.. and ironically that kinda also is quite somewhat kinda qwasi related sorta.
new behaviours...
all the new years resolutional nonsense(i call it nonsense because the reality is a lot more serious and requires concerted effort and considerable ongoing action)
changing behaviours we are not completely happy with is a huge thing for christmass.
ironically soo that is probably one of if not the most difficult thing humans do.
changing actual core behaviours to become a different person.. per say different as much as different is to behold from the perception of knowing from the reality of doing... et all etc...
(we know what we want to be doing so we are arguably not becoming different#, but more soo evolving in a positive manner)
#what we know, we know.
   what we know, we don't know.
    what we don't know, that we don't know.

[Syne]

re-reading the 1st post
if you can not provide arguement to validate your opinion then your opinion is of no value...
co-signed to subjective "entitlement" through social media sociopathic valuation.

It probably pays to keep in mind that social media was not and is not designed to give voice or a format for discussion to common people.
It is designed to make money from peoples attention spans.

The miss perception that people wish to maintain and fortify that they are "informed" simply because of their level of interaction on social media channels is purely servicing the Ego rather than the mind.

how does this marry with modern trending ideas around voter rights and the perception of pay per view profit orientated ideological validation ?

(i hope thats helpful)

Good points, RU.

I guess indiscriminate voting rights could be considered equivalent to being "entitled to your opinion". The right to vote use to only be afforded landowners, ensuring those who voted had the largest stake in the outcome and motivation to understand the issues. But I don't think we'd want to roll back suffrage advances. Perhaps doing away with progressive income tax would make more people vested in the outcome (not just voting other people's money to themselves).

What do you mean by "pay per view profit orientated ideological validation"? Partisan news or something else?

You can count me out.

Holy shit! *shakes head* Maybe it’s me that needs to take off the rose colored glasses.

At first glance, I could have sworn that she said, "You can count on me."

"The person is like a wise fisherman who cast his net into the sea and drew it up from the sea full of little fish. Among them the wise fisherman discovered a fine large fish. He threw all the little fish back into the sea, and easily chose the large fish. Anyone here with two good ears had better listen!"

Perhaps the little ones just need more time to grow.

Oh, well, you win some, you lose some.

C'est la vie.

Wow. I initially read that as "You can count on me" too. What unabashed optimism we share.

[RainbowUnicorn]

What do you mean by "pay per view profit orientated ideological validation"? Partisan news or something else?

Syne, im being a little cheeky & cynical referring to most media being controlled by peopel who have vested finacial interest in a political outcome which renders them non impartial and thus open to/as well as / people/organisations being able to purchase air time to promote(saturate the ignorant) with publicity to skew the non self informing voter.

company or person pays money to get media of 1 type to produce a result which generates them profit...
as oppsoed to
journalism(which i freely admit i attach a sense of moral pre requisit to by virtue of "non partisan intellectually aware public good")



Carol...
<> interceeding interjections of post cognitive discoarse , i hope you are speaking emotinally and not literally to the point of leaving the board.