(Dec 5, 2016 07:19 AM)Syne Wrote: Assisted suicide, where legal, is a medical decision. Unless mental suffering is a result of brain injury or defect, it is not necessarily permanent. Do you suffer every day?
Mental suffering by defect is the only kind of mental suffering there is. Defect of the brain, or your environment, or your psyche, or your body, or the people in your life. Who are you to decide what is or isn't permanent about these defects? Or even if that is the standard by which to judge mental suffering. The Holocaust wasn't permanent. But would we condemn anyone for commiting suicide under those circumstances? Hardly.
Again, you assume "selfish" is always a condemnation, even though I've already told you otherwise. And I've already said, several times now, that inescapable and interminable physical suffering is understandable motive for suicide. So you seem to be arguing strawmen. You can always cherry-pick situations like the Holocaust (which gays have a similar suicidality to), but generally, aside from brain injury or brain defect, in present-day US, environment, people, psyche, and physical suffering are usually transitory.
Unless suicidal ideation is coloring your perception.
Quote:You can always cherry-pick situations like the Holocaust (which gays have a similar suicidality to), but generally, aside from brain injury or brain defect, in present-day US, environment, people, psyche, and physical suffering are usually transitory.
Usually, generally, present day US...you're resorting to vagaries and conditionals now. Was your position that weak to begin with?
Quote:You can always cherry-pick situations like the Holocaust (which gays have a similar suicidality to), but generally, aside from brain injury or brain defect, in present-day US, environment, people, psyche, and physical suffering are usually transitory.
Usually, generally, present day US...you're resorting to vagaries and conditionals now. Was your position that weak to begin with?
Yeah, I told you, way back on page 3, that "I'm speaking in general." Did you forget? Cherry-picked cases are weak in comparison to the average or majority of cases, which is why I don't rely on the fallacy of incomplete evidence, which has to ignore a significant portion of cases.
(Dec 5, 2016 03:23 PM)Secular Sanity Wrote:
(Dec 5, 2016 08:14 AM)Syne Wrote: Again, you assume "selfish" is always a condemnation, even though I've already told you otherwise.
Syne, are depressed people self-absorbed; therefore selfish?
Quote:Yeah, I told you, way back on page 3, that "I'm speaking in general." Did you forget? Cherry-picked cases are weak in comparison to the average or majority of cases, which is why I don't rely on the fallacy of incomplete evidence, which has to ignore a significant portion of cases.
IOW you're right about this only in cases that aren't exceptions and only in present day U.S. Why in hell would mental suffering be different in present day U.S? Do you have some studies to support this absurd claim?
Quote:Yeah, I told you, way back on page 3, that "I'm speaking in general." Did you forget? Cherry-picked cases are weak in comparison to the average or majority of cases, which is why I don't rely on the fallacy of incomplete evidence, which has to ignore a significant portion of cases.
IOW you're right about this only in cases that aren't exceptions and only in present day U.S. Why in hell would mental suffering be different in present day U.S? Do you have some studies to support this absurd claim?
As opposed to the Holocaust? Really? Are there concentration camps I'm unaware of in present day US? LOL
Quote:Yeah, I told you, way back on page 3, that "I'm speaking in general." Did you forget? Cherry-picked cases are weak in comparison to the average or majority of cases, which is why I don't rely on the fallacy of incomplete evidence, which has to ignore a significant portion of cases.
IOW you're right about this only in cases that aren't exceptions and only in present day U.S. Why in hell would mental suffering be different in present day U.S? Do you have some studies to support this absurd claim?
As opposed to the Holocaust? Really? Are there concentration camps I'm unaware of in present day US? LOL
LOL! So that's supposed to support your claim that mental suffering isn't so bad when it's going on in the present day U.S? You're insane..
(Dec 5, 2016 11:48 PM)Syne Wrote: As opposed to the Holocaust? Really? Are there concentration camps I'm unaware of in present day US? LOL
LOL! So that's supposed to support your claim that mental suffering isn't so bad when it's going on in the present day U.S? You're insane..
Really? Are you making the opposite claim, that mental suffering in the Holocaust wasn't so bad? How exactly would you say the Holocaust compares to the present day US?
Of course, being gay with a comparable suicide rate, you may personally feel that they are similar, but again, you would be cherry-picking an extreme minority of 1-4% and arguing that it holds generally.
Quote:Really? Are you making the opposite claim, that mental suffering in the Holocaust wasn't so bad? How exactly would you say the Holocaust compares to the present day US?
Hey you're the one making the claim that mental suffering isn't so bad when it happens in present day U.S. Where's your studies to back up this load of bullshit? What magical power does the U.S. land mass exert on people so that their mental suffering isn't so bad?
Dec 5, 2016 08:14 AM
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