Death Beckons

[Syne]

No, you're talking about a specific kind of hypothetical where there are no other options.

Precisely. Someone suffering mental illness so much and for which meds and therapy aren't working that they prefer the relief of death. That's what suicide is. People don't resort to such an extreme solution lightly.

So you think that a person suffering from mental illness is completely competent in evaluating their own options? They don't ever misjudge things to be more dire than they truly are?

[RainbowUnicorn]

generally mental health is seen as a complete loss on a cost basis which is terribly detrimental to the health of the patient.

Suicide is also detrimental to patient health. 

Euthanasia isn't exactly cheap although the drugs administered are only about $100. Overall I've heard it could cost anywhere between 10-15 thousand dollars and that may be low. However it beats institutionalizing and all the costs associated with that. I think you're right if the implication is that governments see euthanasia as a savings.

not sure if you got my point and added the perspective, thus
i refer to the (quantatative?) value of wholistic approach to the patient
e.g constructs of burdon are very often mixed up in guilt habbituation processes where people define the patient as being selfish or a financial burdon simply deepen the grip of the isolational pathology of the thought processes making it more likely the patient willmove in the opposite direction to not comitting suicide or self harm or murder suicide.

note murder suicide is a statistic that is not discussed often, yet extremely prevailent in US mental health death statistics(mass shootings etc).
the US seem to have a social culture and government policy and private practice policy to look the other way when it comes to mental health.

"Euthanasia isn't exactly cheap"
such is paliative care costs around
$255.00 US$ per day(in non US high quality health care countrys) in a 24/7 residential care facility(high needs starting price).

keeping in mind the US are practically canabalistic when it comes to health care and charge private profit margins of around 700% to 900%

soo in the US health system that would be around $1000.00 US$ per day minimum for a low end user of high needs 24/7 care/paliative
other countrys are doing the same high tech equal or better quality health care 24/7 for around 1/4 of the cost.

i point this out because often some conversations can become US centric, where in the case of health care the perspective is most definitely twisted.

soo... there is probably 4 price ranges for Euthenasia
-handful of prescription meds (probably around $5.00 US$) possibly with alcahol or not
-an injection/drip of something like propofol which is probably around $25.00 US$) probably mixed with something that will simply stop the heart once unconciouse.
-some cocktail specifically designed and sold as a profited product or given at cost which could be up to $1000.00 US$
-profit based system designed to extract the most profit from the person as possible(US medical type system) using probably a European customed designed mix of drugs purchased for $1000.00 US$ then sold to the patient for around $5000.00 US$

[Magical Realist]

No, you're talking about a specific kind of hypothetical where there are no other options.

Precisely. Someone suffering mental illness so much and for which meds and therapy aren't working that they prefer the relief of death. That's what suicide is. People don't resort to such an extreme solution lightly.

So you think that a person suffering from mental illness is completely competent in evaluating their own options? They don't ever misjudge things to be more dire than they truly are?

Yes..I believe they are competent to make choices for themselves. Can they misjudge things? Sure. Everybody can. So what? Does that mean we imprison them with a straight jacket for the rest of their lives? No..

[Syne]

So you think that a person suffering from mental illness is completely competent in evaluating their own options? They don't ever misjudge things to be more dire than they truly are?

Yes..I believe they are competent to make choices for themselves. Can they misjudge things? Sure. Everybody can. So what? Does that mean we imprison them with a straight jacket for the rest of their lives? No..

Really? Even though mental illness can be grounds for being found incompetent to stand trial or manage your own finances? What about this concrete example:
‘We lost one of our angels’: Family claims Texas teen who committed suicide was cyberbullied

This girl believed there were no other options, but clearly there were. Was her suicide a competent decision?

If you think so, I'd say you're a heartless piece of shit. If not, how is her desperation and perception of no option different from any mentally ill person whose judgement is compromised?

[Magical Realist]

So you think that a person suffering from mental illness is completely competent in evaluating their own options? They don't ever misjudge things to be more dire than they truly are?

Yes..I believe they are competent to make choices for themselves. Can they misjudge things? Sure. Everybody can. So what? Does that mean we imprison them with a straight jacket for the rest of their lives? No..

Really? Even though mental illness can be grounds for being found incompetent to stand trial or manage your own finances? What about this concrete example:
‘We lost one of our angels’: Family claims Texas teen who committed suicide was cyberbullied

This girl believed there were no other options, but clearly there were. Was her suicide a competent decision?

If you think so, I'd say you're a heartless piece of shit. If not, how is her desperation and perception of no option different from any mentally ill person whose judgement is compromised?

Reported for insult.

Did you completely brainfart the part where I said people make misjudgments? Does that mean they aren't competent to make decisions about their life? No..

[Syne]

So you think that a person suffering from mental illness is completely competent in evaluating their own options? They don't ever misjudge things to be more dire than they truly are?

Yes..I believe they are competent to make choices for themselves. Can they misjudge things? Sure. Everybody can. So what? Does that mean we imprison them with a straight jacket for the rest of their lives? No..

Really? Even though mental illness can be grounds for being found incompetent to stand trial or manage your own finances? What about this concrete example:
‘We lost one of our angels’: Family claims Texas teen who committed suicide was cyberbullied

This girl believed there were no other options, but clearly there were. Was her suicide a competent decision?

If you think so, I'd say you're a heartless piece of shit. If not, how is her desperation and perception of no option different from any mentally ill person whose judgement is compromised?

Reported for insult.

So you do believe that she was competent to make that decision (that's the only way you'd feel insulted)...even with plenty of options. So your whole argument about no other options is just a red herring, and you believe in the unobstructed right to suicide, regardless of the circumstances. You are truly despicable. This beautiful teen had everything to live for, but because of a transitory circumstance, you basically applaud her choice to kill herself.

[Magical Realist]

So you think that a person suffering from mental illness is completely competent in evaluating their own options? They don't ever misjudge things to be more dire than they truly are?

Yes..I believe they are competent to make choices for themselves. Can they misjudge things? Sure. Everybody can. So what? Does that mean we imprison them with a straight jacket for the rest of their lives? No..

Really? Even though mental illness can be grounds for being found incompetent to stand trial or manage your own finances? What about this concrete example:
‘We lost one of our angels’: Family claims Texas teen who committed suicide was cyberbullied

This girl believed there were no other options, but clearly there were. Was her suicide a competent decision?

If you think so, I'd say you're a heartless piece of shit. If not, how is her desperation and perception of no option different from any mentally ill person whose judgement is compromised?

Reported for insult.

So you do believe that she was competent to make that decision (that's the only way you'd feel insulted)...even with plenty of options. So your whole argument about no other options is just a red herring, and you believe in the unobstructed right to suicide, regardless of the circumstances. You are truly despicable. This beautiful teen had everything to live for, but because of a transitory circumstance, you basically applaud her choice to kill herself.

Yeah, and you're the saint that said suicide is an act of escapist selfishness. Why don't you call that girl's parents and tell them that? Talk about a disgusting heartless piece of shit..

[Syne]

So you do believe that she was competent to make that decision (that's the only way you'd feel insulted)...even with plenty of options. So your whole argument about no other options is just a red herring, and you believe in the unobstructed right to suicide, regardless of the circumstances. You are truly despicable. This beautiful teen had everything to live for, but because of a transitory circumstance, you basically applaud her choice to kill herself.

Yeah, and you're the saint that said suicide is act of escapist selfishness. Why don't you call that girl's parents and tell them that?

“We tried to persuade her to put the gun down, but she was determined,” her father said.
"Brandy please don’t, Brandy no," her sister pleaded.

They already know it was selfish.

[Magical Realist]

So you do believe that she was competent to make that decision (that's the only way you'd feel insulted)...even with plenty of options. So your whole argument about no other options is just a red herring, and you believe in the unobstructed right to suicide, regardless of the circumstances. You are truly despicable. This beautiful teen had everything to live for, but because of a transitory circumstance, you basically applaud her choice to kill herself.

Yeah, and you're the saint that said suicide is act of escapist selfishness. Why don't you call that girl's parents and tell them that?

“We tried to persuade her to put the gun down, but she was determined,” her father said.
"Brandy please don’t, Brandy no," her sister pleaded.

They already know it was selfish.

Yep..you just confirmed what I said. You're pathetic..

[Syne]

So you do believe that she was competent to make that decision (that's the only way you'd feel insulted)...even with plenty of options. So your whole argument about no other options is just a red herring, and you believe in the unobstructed right to suicide, regardless of the circumstances. You are truly despicable. This beautiful teen had everything to live for, but because of a transitory circumstance, you basically applaud her choice to kill herself.

Yeah, and you're the saint that said suicide is act of escapist selfishness. Why don't you call that girl's parents and tell them that?

“We tried to persuade her to put the gun down, but she was determined,” her father said.
"Brandy please don’t, Brandy no," her sister pleaded.

They already know it was selfish.

Yep..you just confirmed what I said. You're pathetic..

Better than being a sick, heartless nihilist.