Black who all think blacks should take responsibility for themselves:
Booker T. Washington
Frederick Douglas
MLK
Thomas Sowell
Sheriff David Clarke
Charles Barkley
Allen West
Larry Elder
etc, etc...
All Uncle Toms, right?
""What shall we do with the Negro?" I have had but one answer from the beginning. Do nothing with
us! Your doing with us has already played the mischief with us. Do nothing with us! If the apples will not remain on the tree of their own strength, if they are wormeaten at the core, if they are early ripe and disposed to fall, let them fall! I am not for tying or fastening them on the tree in any way, except by nature's plan, and if they will not stay there, let them fall. And if the Negro cannot stand on his own legs, let him fall also. All I ask is, give him a chance to stand on his own legs! Let him alone!" - Frederick Douglas, black abolitionist
“There is another class of coloured people who make a business of keeping the troubles, the wrongs, and the hardships of the Negro race before the public. Having learned that they are able to make a living out of their troubles, they have grown into the settled habit of advertising their wrongs — partly because they want sympathy and partly because it pays. Some of these people do not want the Negro to lose his grievances, because they do not want to lose their jobs.” - Booker T. Washington
“Do you know that Negroes are 10 percent of the population of St. Louis and are responsible for 58% of its crimes? We’ve got to face that. And we’ve got to do something about our moral standards. We know that there are many things wrong in the white world, but there are many things wrong in the black world, too. We can’t keep on blaming the white man. There are things we must do for ourselves.” - Dr. Martin Luther King Jr., to a congregation in 1961
Quote:Black who all think blacks should take responsibility for themselves:
Booker T. Washington
Frederick Douglas
MLK
Thomas Sowell
Sheriff David Clarke
Charles Barkley
Allen West
Larry Elder
etc, etc...
All Uncle Toms, right?
Taking responsibilty? Really? Especially important in a racist society where a black man can be arrested for playing rap music or for standing on the corner or be shot for reaching for his cellphone. You want to know what taking responsibility is like? Try being black in a predominately white suburb for a day. Try being pulled over for improper lane change while you're black and driving too late at night. Try getting an apartment from an elderly white landlord. They have to take responsibility for things they haven't even done every fuckn day. They have to get up every day and face this bias all around them and keep smiling like every thing is ok. It's a wonder they don't give up eventually. Many probably do. And for racists like you, that's suddenly a character flaw. "Look at those undermotivated lazy blacks." So how does one stay motivated in a system that's rigged against your every attempt to better yourself? How do you keep goin when it takes twice the ambition and willpower to get what whites get almost as a matter of birthright? And even when you get ahead, you still encounter the same racial resistance there as you did in the beginning? Was it worth it? Here's some responsibility to take. Why don't you own your racism and admit you are part of the problem? Why don't you admit to contributing to this unspoken and silent
grudge you hold against black people for being black? Those lazy crime-prone irresponsible excuse-making blacks that just wallow in their misery and never get ahead in life. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xpvutGPY7zU
Quote:Black who all think blacks should take responsibility for themselves:
Booker T. Washington
Frederick Douglas
MLK
Thomas Sowell
Sheriff David Clarke
Charles Barkley
Allen West
Larry Elder
etc, etc...
All Uncle Toms, right?
Taking responsibilty? Really? Especially important in a racist society where a black man can be arrested for playing rap music or for standing on the corner or be shot for reaching for his cellphone. You want to know what taking responsibility is like? Try being black in a predominately white suburb for a day. Try being pulled over for improper lane change while you're black and driving too late at night. Try getting an apartment from an elderly white landlord. They have to take responsibility for things they haven't even done every fuckn day. They have to get up every day and face this bias all around them and keep smiling like every thing is ok. It's a wonder they don't give up eventually. Many probably do. And for racists like you, that's suddenly a character flaw. "Look at those undermotivated lazy blacks." So how does one stay motivated in a system that's rigged against your every attempt to better yourself? How do you keep goin when it takes twice the ambition and willpower to get what whites get almost as a matter of birthright? And even when you get ahead, you still encounter the same racial resistance there as you did in the beginning? Was it worth it? Here's some responsibility to take. Why don't you own your racism and admit you are part of the problem? Why don't you admit to contributing to this unspoken and silent grudge you hold against black people for being black? Those lazy crime-prone excuse-making blacks that just wallow in their misery and never get ahead in life.
So all these black leaders, historic and contemporary, are racist? I've only posted their words. Do you think these black people aren't smart enough to have a valid opinion of their own race? Are the educated blacks not real blacks? Sounds like you may be the racist. I believe they are perfectly capable of solving their own problems.
If racism isn’t a factor in overall success, why does higher educational attainment increase a person’s income within her/his race, but not among different races?
"One reason why the income and wealth ratios are highest among white and Asian college graduates is that they are more likely than black or Hispanic college graduates to have graduate or professional degrees. Advanced degrees typically provide significantly higher earnings and are strongly associated with greater wealth accumulation." - https://www.stlouisfed.org/publications/...ack-wealth
You'll note that the graphic only shows stats up to a bachelors degree.
If racism isn’t a factor, why do blacks with some college have about the same probability of employment as whites who have not completed high school?
"Together these two data points indicate that when black Americans lose their jobs, they stick to their job search for longer than white Americans, inflating the black unemployment rate relative to white's." - http://www.theatlantic.com/business/arch...gh/372667/
If racism isn’t a factor in the justice system, why are prison populations dramatically inverse in proportion to the racial demographics of the U.S.?
"However, if black crime rates were the guide, it would seem that blacks are, if anything, underrepresented in prison populations. The table below presents FBI data on homicide offenders. Blacks exceed all other groups in murders committed in 2013. In prior years it was actually worse.
In 2007, the CDC broke out total homicide numbers and rates by age and race. The murder rate among blacks is similar to the rates in some of the most violent third-world nations (see below). No other racial or ethnic group comes close." - http://www.aim.org/special-report/black-...ite-guilt/
If racism isn’t a factor in education, why are school suspensions and expulsions significantly disproportionate between white and black students?
"Schools gave 156 black students out-of-school suspensions, representing 58 percent of students receiving the punishment. Black students represent around 20 percent of the student population. The black students also represent 66 percent of those suspended who qualify for free and reduced-price meals." - http://www.columbiatribune.com/news/educ...d24fc.html
If racism isn’t a factor in employment opportunity, why is the economic advantage of graduating from an elite university less for blacks than whites, as recent research suggests?
"These racial differences suggest that a bachelor’s degree, even one from an elite institution, cannot fully counteract the importance of race in the labor market."
Same as #1. "One reason why the income and wealth ratios are highest among white and Asian college graduates is that they are more likely than black or Hispanic college graduates to have graduate or professional degrees. Advanced degrees typically provide significantly higher earnings and are strongly associated with greater wealth accumulation." - https://www.stlouisfed.org/publications/...ack-wealth
The cited source also admits to not comparing "the same degree from the same college." This affirmative action effect could also have some bearing.
If racism isn’t a factor in who gets arrested, why are black boys viewed by police as older than their biological age (and older than same-age white boys) and less innocent?
According to this FBI table, the rate of murder offenders starts to diverge between white and black offenders at age 13.
If racism isn’t a factor in whom employers seek to hire, why do women of color have the lowest wages at every level of educational attainment?
"Women of color are particularly more likely than white women to experience the dual responsibilities of providing for a family. Even as they represent a larger share of their families’ income, women of color, particularly African American women and Latinas, are far more likely to be single mothers or single heads of household than their white counterparts. In 2013, more than one-fifth—21.6 percent—of African American families were led by a single mother. Single mothers also led 14.5 percent of Hispanic households compared with only 7.4 percent of white households and 5.9 percent of Asian American households." - https://www.americanprogress.org/issues/...-wage-gap/
If racism isn’t a factor in income distribution, why are black children from middle-class homes highly likely to fall below the social class of their birth?
"Even among white and black families with similar incomes, white families are much more likely to live in good neighborhoods — with high-quality schools, day-care options, parks, playgrounds and transportation options." - http://www.nytimes.com/2015/06/25/upshot....html?_r=0
If racism isn’t a factor in economic security, then during our recent economic disturbances Why Didn't Higher Education Protect Hispanic and Black Wealth?
Ha. I already cited that exact source for #1, and it answers this as well.
If racism isn’t a factor in school funding, why does research reveal that "no matter how rich or poor the district in question, funding gaps existed solely based on the racial composition of the school”?
Quote:So all these black leaders, historic and contemporary, are racist? I've only posted their words. Do you think these black people aren't smart enough to have a valid opinion of their own race? Are the educated blacks not real blacks? Sounds like you may be the racist. I believe they are perfectly capable of solving their own problems.
I never said they were racist. You're the racist here trying to blame black problems on their race. That they are less ambitious or lazy or irresponsible or violent because they are black. You''re the one claiming there's no racism goin on anymore. That our society, after two centuries of oppressing people of color with Jim Crow laws and redlining and school
segregation, somehow suddenly quit being racist in a matter of decades and that the playing field is even now despite all the stats showing otherwise. It's racists like you that are the problem as I already made clear. Get with the program, cuz our society is finally waking up to the reality of racial prejudice and white privelege goin on all around us every day.
Quote:If racism isn’t a factor in overall success, why does higher educational attainment increase a person’s income within her/his race, but not among different races?
"One reason why the income and wealth ratios are highest among white and Asian college graduates is that they are more likely than black or Hispanic college graduates to have graduate or professional degrees. Advanced degrees typically provide significantly higher earnings and are strongly associated with greater wealth accumulation." - https://www.stlouisfed.org/publications/...ack-wealth
You'll note that the graphic only shows stats up to a bachelors degree.
Not even relevant to the question. White high school drop outs make more than black college graduates:
Quote:If racism isn’t a factor, why do blacks with some college have about the same probability of employment as whites who have not completed high school?
"Together these two data points indicate that when black Americans lose their jobs, they stick to their job search for longer than white Americans, inflating the black unemployment rate relative to white's." - http://www.theatlantic.com/business/arch...gh/372667/
Not even relevant. We're talking probability of employment, not length of time spent unemployed after losing their job.
Quote:If racism isn’t a factor in the justice system, why are prison populations dramatically inverse in proportion to the racial demographics of the U.S.?
"However, if black crime rates were the guide, it would seem that blacks are, if anything, underrepresented in prison populations. The table below presents FBI data on homicide offenders. Blacks exceed all other groups in murders committed in 2013. In prior years it was actually worse.
In 2007, the CDC broke out total homicide numbers and rates by age and race. The murder rate among blacks is similar to the rates in some of the most violent third-world nations (see below). No other racial or ethnic group comes close." - http://www.aim.org/special-report/black-...ite-guilt/
LOL! You're saying all the vast numbers of blacks imprisoned over whites is because they are all murderers? No..it's overall incarceration rate period.
Quote:If racism isn’t a factor in education, why are school suspensions and expulsions significantly disproportionate between white and black students?
Being poor is the largest predictor of school suspensions, regardless of race.
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"Schools gave 156 black students out-of-school suspensions, representing 58 percent of students receiving the punishment. Black students represent around 20 percent of the student population. The black students also represent 66 percent of those suspended who qualify for free and reduced-price meals." - http://www.columbiatribune.com/news/educ...d24fc.html
Then you agree. Blacks are suspended from school way more often than whites are. Thanks for supporting that.
Quote:If racism isn’t a factor in employment opportunity, why is the economic advantage of graduating from an elite university less for blacks than whites, as recent research suggests?
"These racial differences suggest that a bachelor’s degree, even one from an elite institution, cannot fully counteract the importance of race in the labor market."
Same as #1.
"One reason why the income and wealth ratios are highest among white and Asian college graduates is that they are more likely than black or Hispanic college graduates to have graduate or professional degrees. Advanced degrees typically provide significantly higher earnings and are strongly associated with greater wealth accumulation." - https://www.stlouisfed.org/publications/...ack-wealth
The cited source also admits to not comparing "the same degree from the same college." This affirmative action effect could also have some bearing.
Doesn't explain why whites with same degree from less prestigious colleges than blacks and hispanics graduating from prestigious universities get employed at about the same rate:
"The results show that although a credential from an elite university results in more employer responses for all candidates, black candidates from elite universities only do as well as white candidates from less selective universities. Moreover, race results in a double penalty: When employers respond to black candidates, it is for jobs with lower starting salaries and lower prestige than those of white peers. These racial differences suggest that a bachelor’s degree, even one from an elite institution, cannot fully counteract the importance of race in the labor market. Thus, both discrimination and differences in human capital contribute to racial economic inequality."
Quote:If racism isn’t a factor in who gets arrested, why are black boys viewed by police as older than their biological age (and older than same-age white boys) and less innocent?
According to this FBI table, the rate of murder offenders starts to diverge between white and black offenders at age 13.
Doesn't explain that attitude among the police. This has nothing to do with murder rates among black teens compared to white teens.
Quote:If racism isn’t a factor in whom employers seek to hire, why do women of color have the lowest wages at every level of educational attainment?
"Women of color are particularly more likely than white women to experience the dual responsibilities of providing for a family. Even as they represent a larger share of their families’ income, women of color, particularly African American women and Latinas, are far more likely to be single mothers or single heads of household than their white counterparts. In 2013, more than one-fifth—21.6 percent—of African American families were led by a single mother. Single mothers also led 14.5 percent of Hispanic households compared with only 7.4 percent of white households and 5.9 percent of Asian American households." - https://www.americanprogress.org/issues/...-wage-gap/
LOL! Being a single mother has nothing to do with having the lowest wages. They make the lowest wages regardless of whether they are single mothers or married mothers. That's called wage disparity.
Quote:If racism isn’t a factor in income distribution, why are black children from middle-class homes highly likely to fall below the social class of their birth?
"Even among white and black families with similar incomes, white families are much more likely to live in good neighborhoods — with high-quality schools, day-care options, parks, playgrounds and transportation options." - http://www.nytimes.com/2015/06/25/upshot....html?_r=0
No..middle class neighborhoods are good neighborhoods period whether you're white or black. And yet despite being from these equally good neighborhoods, black children are much more likely to drop to a lower income class.
Quote:If racism isn’t a factor in economic security, then during our recent economic disturbances Why Didn't Higher Education Protect Hispanic and Black Wealth?
Ha. I already cited that exact source for #1, and it answers this as well.
You didn't explain shit in #1. White high school drop outs make more than black and hispanic college graduates period. It has nothing to do with whites getting more advanced degrees.
Quote:If racism isn’t a factor in school funding, why does research reveal that "no matter how rich or poor the district in question, funding gaps existed solely based on the racial composition of the school”?
Philly Is The 4th Most Segregated Big City in the Country
Philadelphia is the Democratic stronghold of the state
What does that have to do with funding gaps based on school racial compositions? IOW, the more black the student body the less money it gets. Why is that?
Quote:So all these black leaders, historic and contemporary, are racist? I've only posted their words. Do you think these black people aren't smart enough to have a valid opinion of their own race? Are the educated blacks not real blacks? Sounds like you may be the racist. I believe they are perfectly capable of solving their own problems.
I never said they were racist. You're the racist here trying to blame black problems on their race. That they are less ambitious or lazy or irresponsible or violent because they are black. You''re the one claiming there's no racism goin on anymore.
Where? Show me where I've said any of that. Quote it or shut up.
"The study, from the University of North Carolina, Chapel Hill, used previously compiled data from the Department of Education to track how first-grade students’ reading abilities change over time, depending upon whether they attend a racially segregated or integrated school. It found that black students in segregated schools tended to make smaller gains in reading than their black counterparts in more integrated schools. This held true even when researchers accounted for black students’ backgrounds." - http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/07/30...32118.html
Too bad one political party is dead set against school vouchers that would help alleviate racial segregation...coincidentally highest in cities controlled by that same political party.
"Urban black America favors school vouchers, but its leaders don't. Vouchers transfer authority over the use of a portion of government education funds from bureaucrats to parents, who then may use their grants to send their children to the schools, secular or religious, they believe will best educate their kids.
But we must be honest. If the Supreme Court rules in Zelman v. Simmons-Harris that the Cleveland voucher program is constitutional, the decision will help some families, but it will not expand the educational opportunities of all black children. Even so, such a result is likely to increase black support for vouchers. It will also show how far out of touch the black governmental class is with its black constituency." - http://www.nytimes.com/2002/02/26/opinio...chers.html
"The study, from the University of North Carolina, Chapel Hill, used previously compiled data from the Department of Education to track how first-grade students’ reading abilities change over time, depending upon whether they attend a racially segregated or integrated school. It found that black students in segregated schools tended to make smaller gains in reading than their black counterparts in more integrated schools. This held true even when researchers accounted for black students’ backgrounds." - http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/07/30...32118.html
Too bad one political party is dead set against school vouchers that would help alleviate racial segregation...coincidentally highest in cities controlled by that same political party.
"Urban black America favors school vouchers, but its leaders don't. Vouchers transfer authority over the use of a portion of government education funds from bureaucrats to parents, who then may use their grants to send their children to the schools, secular or religious, they believe will best educate their kids.
But we must be honest. If the Supreme Court rules in Zelman v. Simmons-Harris that the Cleveland voucher program is constitutional, the decision will help some families, but it will not expand the educational opportunities of all black children. Even so, such a result is likely to increase black support for vouchers. It will also show how far out of touch the black governmental class is with its black constituency." - http://www.nytimes.com/2002/02/26/opinio...chers.html
"But in interviews with more than half a dozen former teachers, some of whom I tracked down via Twitter, a lack of support—from school and district administrators, lawmakers, and the community more broadly—came up most frequently as a rationale for leaving. Money, when it was a factor at all, was always a secondary reason....
In fact, many of the men and women who leave teaching actually take pay cuts,..." - http://www.theatlantic.com/education/arc...ng/495305/
"Of the schools that received federal aid, half have either dropped a level or remained static, while the other half moved up one level from turnaround status to priority improvement.
“If you funnel a whole lot of money to the same dysfunctional districts that have been running the dysfunctional schools, these are the results you should expect,” said Andy Smarick of the nonprofit Bellwether Education Partners. “What’s mystifying to me is that people thought the school improvement grant program was going to get dramatically different results than the dozens of other similar efforts at school turnaround in the past.”" - http://www.denverpost.com/2016/02/20/man...f-dollars/
"Interest in the program among parents and students has grown, from 10,000 applicants in 2012 to 12,000 this year. About 8,000 students will participate this year. More than 90 percent of the parents of the students say they are satisfied with the program, according to a survey. Part of that likely is because students in the voucher program are improving academically; from 2011 to 2013, the number of students performing at grade level in literacy and math increased by 7 percent increase when compared to their former failing schools." - http://www.offthegridnews.com/how-to-2/s...-vouchers/
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