2,000 men on gay cruise go to Muslim countries and get denied docking (travel)

[Syne]

Pretty much" is your own assumption.... that ignores the grammatical fact that "passengers" does not mean "all the passengers."

Passengers never making it back to the boat definitely implies ANY passengers, and that's what you agreed with.

It implies "some."
Literacy is amazing!

[C C]

Wow. A second visit to the scene of this "topic crime", with different guests? Need to go to the 48 second mark to avoid the intro redundancy of the first, older video.
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THE RUBIN REPORT
https://youtu.be/0MrE2tjnExw

VIDEO EXCERPTS: I thought Freddy Mercury died decades ago, but there he is. I can't believe it. Well, there's the obvious one that you guys groaned about ... The Turks and the Egyptians are suddenly homophobes because of Donald Trump. I can't even begin with that one.

[...] Uh, Sage though, what angle do you want? The Trump angle on this or just the naiveté, or do you think any of these 2,000 gays will come back to America and suddenly be like, "Boy, you know, it's actually pretty good here, and maybe we should put down our queer flags with the fist and whatever else."

[...] DAVE RUBIN: In contrast, I have actually been able to visit the pyramids. But the locals may not be thrilled if you're holding some guy's hand. It just is what it is. They won't dig that. And if you come in with scores of other overtly gay guys, they're not going to like that. And the hot pink speedos. Just saying...

https://youtu.be/0MrE2tjnExw

https://www.youtube-nocookie.com/embed/0MrE2tjnExwo

[Magical Realist]

The really funny part of all this is these MAGA phobes feigning concern for the safety of 2000 hand-holding pink speedo-wearing stupid "homosexuals". Surely there's a name for this...Let's see now.."Virtue signaling?" lol

The Trump angle on this or just the naiveté, or do you think any of these 2,000 gays will come back to America and suddenly be like, "Boy, you know, it's actually pretty good here, and maybe we should put down our queer flags with the fist and whatever else."

Yep...the "look how good you've got it here so shut the fuck up and go back into the closet" line. As long as phobes like these still exist, and there's fortunately a diminishing number of them, pretty sure the flying rainbow flags and queer "hand-holding" will continue unabated.

[Syne]

The really funny part of all this is these MAGA phobes ...

Again, you mean the gay man married to a man?

[Magical Realist]

The really funny part of all this is these MAGA phobes ...

Again, you mean the gay man married to a man?

Yep..the self-hating homosexual or else lying shill just trying to make money for his podcast.

[Syne]

So that's one vote against anyone being a voice of reason for the gay cruise ship heading to Muslim countries.

[Magical Realist]

So that's one vote against anyone being a voice of reason for the gay cruise ship heading to Muslim countries.

I'm not for or against podcasters being anything. Generally they will tend to "be" whatever makes them most popular and so rakes in the most cash. I myself form my own opinions and support them with my own reasoning. Or haven't you noticed.

Oh and there's a word for what people like Rubin are doing. First, a quote from him:

"On one occasion on his show Rubin said "If I found out a teacher talked to my 6-year-old about gender or sexuality, I might kill that person."--Wikipedia

"In sociology and psychology, the concept of gay individuals oppressing other gay individuals is typically referred to as horizontal oppression or horizontal hostility. It occurs when members of a marginalized or targeted group enforce the dominant system of discrimination upon their own peers, often acting out of internalized prejudices.Within the LGBTQ+ community, this dynamic can manifest through various forms of policing, shaming, and exclusion based on a variety of traits.

Common Manifestations

Gender and Expression Policing: Gay men and women who do not conform to heterosexual gender norms or who display effeminacy may face bullying, pressure, or mockery from within the community.

The "Masc-For-Masc" Dynamic: Within gay dating spaces, there is often a distinct preference for strict "masculine" behavior and physical standards. This can lead to the marginalization, belittling, or exclusion of men who present as more feminine, flamboyant, or non-conforming.

Lesbophobia and Biphobia: Gay individuals may perpetuate discrimination against bisexual people (e.g., viewing them as untrustworthy or "greedy") or lesbians (often intersecting with broader misogynistic or patriarchal conditioning).

Gatekeeping and Elitism: Contempt for those who are "too loud," "too obvious" with their pride, or in earlier, less visible stages of coming out.

Trans Exclusion: Some gay and lesbian individuals may exclude transgender members of the community from spaces or rights in a bid to gain mainstream societal approval.

Internalized Homophobia: The root of horizontal oppression is often internalized homophobia, where a person has absorbed society's prejudice and unconsciously directs it at others who reflect the exact identity or behavior they feel insecure about in themselves.

Why It Happens

Horizontal oppression is widely viewed as a defense mechanism and a byproduct of living in a heteronormative, patriarchal society. The psychological and social roots include:

The Pursuit of "Respectability": Marginalized groups often believe that by policing and rejecting their "fringe" or "taboo" members, they can prove their acceptability to the dominant, heterosexual majority.

Projection: Disliking traits in others that a person suppresses or fears within themselves.

Scarcity Mindset: A deeply ingrained feeling that there is only so much social acceptance or safety available for the community, leading people to tear down others to elevate their own social standing."

[Syne]

So that's one vote against anyone being a voice of reason for the gay cruise ship heading to Muslim countries.

I'm not for or against podcasters being anything. Generally they will tend to "be" whatever makes them most popular and so rakes in the most cash. I myself form my own opinions and support them with my own reasoning. Or haven't you noticed.

Oh and there's a word for what people like Rubin are doing. First, a quote from him:

"On one occasion on his show Rubin said "If I found out a teacher talked to my 6-year-old about gender or sexuality, I might kill that person."--Wikipedia

"In sociology and psychology, the concept of gay individuals oppressing other gay individuals is typically referred to as horizontal oppression or horizontal hostility. It occurs when members of a marginalized or targeted group enforce the dominant system of discrimination upon their own peers, often acting out of internalized prejudices.Within the LGBTQ+ community, this dynamic can manifest through various forms of policing, shaming, and exclusion based on a variety of traits.

Yeah, if I thought grooming other people's children was a right, I'd feel oppressed too.

[Magical Realist]

LOL So it's only grooming if other adults tell children about sexuality and gender, but suddenly it isn't when the parents do it? How so? Have you never heard of child abuse? And if other children talk about sexuality with your child, which is how most of us find out about it if not from our dad's porn stash or now the internet, is that suddenly not grooming either? Define grooming, and can one groom a child without intending to?