2,000 men on gay cruise go to Muslim countries and get denied docking (travel)

Yeah, their just creating vigilantes out of thin air.

(Yesterday 01:51 AM)Syne Wrote: Yeah, their just creating vigilantes out of thin air.

There are many who are easily induced to violence. Just look at the history of lone assassins not to mention hate groups. Just watch the nightly newscast. Doesn't mean the whole society is prone towards that kind of violence. OTC, we learn about such and unanimously take measures to keep it from recurring, do we not?

Who, besides you, said anything about the "whole society"? @_@

(Yesterday 04:28 AM)Syne Wrote: Who, besides you, said anything about the "whole society"? @_@

We're talking about Turkey here moron. A whole society. Is it past your bedtime already?

(Yesterday 04:31 AM)Magical Realist Wrote:

(Yesterday 04:28 AM)Syne Wrote: Who, besides you, said anything about the "whole society"? @_@

We're talking about Turkey here moron. A whole society. Is it past your bedtime already?

No, you just assumed that. No one claims all Turks are equally anti-gay. But 78-84% of Turks believe that homosexuality should not be accepted by society and 90% of LGBT in Turkey face regular digital violence.

Quote:No, you just assumed that. No one claims all Turks are equally anti-gay. But 78-84% of Turks believe that homosexuality should not be accepted by society

I see..so backpedaling now are we? So can you distinguish between 84% not believing LGBTQ should be accepted as part of their society and attacking cruise ship tourists from other societies who they perceive to be gay? Think real hard now. This is the thrust of Zin's assumption, which I've pretty much systematically demolished.

Can't backpedal from your strawman. But go ahead, quote where you imagine I claimed the entire Turkish society would be violent to gays.
I'm betting literacy competence is heavy involved.

Quote:Zin: I mean good chance passengers never make it back to the boat if it happens.

Quote:Syne: True enough there. The cruise line or organizers displayed criminal negligence in including those stops.

Pretty much claiming right there all the passengers of the ship would be murdered by alleged mobs of ravenous Turks. Again, why would the government need to encourage anti-gay violence if was already happening?

"Istanbul has about 5 to 10 dedicated gay bars and clubs, alongside dozens of LGBTQ+-friendly venues across the city. The scene is highly concentrated near Taksim Square and Istiklal Avenue in the Beyoğlu district.

Check out these top spots for LGBTQ+ nightlife in the city:

Club Tekyön: Located on Sıraselviler Caddesi, this is the city's largest and most famous gay dance club, featuring drag shows, go-go dancers, and a lively weekend crowd.

Love Dance Point: Situated in Harbiye, this is another massive dance club renowned for resident DJs and high-energy performers.

SuperFabric Club: Found in the Elmadağ area of Şişli, this venue offers an industrial, darker vibe with techno beats and themed parties.

Cafe Mor Kedi: A popular, relaxed cafe-bar on the outskirts of Taksim that hosts a friendly crowd and turns into a vibrant social spot in the evenings.

Haspa Cafe & Bar: A chill, inclusive spot near Istiklal Avenue, notable for flying the rainbow flag.

Pinokyo Bar: A classic, slightly smaller venue off Istiklal, known for a more local, conversational atmosphere and occasional karaoke.

Keep in mind that the local scene operates mostly indoors and with a lower profile than in Western Europe. Venues occasionally change locations or adjust their operating hours, so checking ahead via social media or platforms like Tripadvisor is highly recommended."

(Yesterday 05:04 AM)Magical Realist Wrote:

Quote:Zin: I mean good chance passengers never make it back to the boat if it happens.

Quote:Syne: True enough there. The cruise line or organizers displayed criminal negligence in including those stops.

Pretty much claiming right there all the passengers of the ship would be murdered by alleged mobs of ravenous Turks. Again, why would the government need to encourage anti-gay violence if was already happening?

Yep, literacy issue. "Pretty much" is your own assumption.... that ignores the grammatical fact that "passengers" does not mean "all the passengers."

Quote:Pretty much" is your own assumption.... that ignores the grammatical fact that "passengers" does not mean "all the passengers."

Passengers never making it back to the boat definitely implies ANY passengers, and that's what you agreed with.

Quote:Zin: I mean good chance passengers never make it back to the boat if it happens.

Quote:Syne: True enough there. The cruise line or organizers displayed criminal negligence in including those stops.

As far as the gay scene in Istanbul? Sounds quite festive if not "cruisy" to me:

"Istanbul has about 5 to 10 dedicated gay bars and clubs, alongside dozens of LGBTQ+-friendly venues across the city. The scene is highly concentrated near Taksim Square and Istiklal Avenue in the Beyoğlu district.

Check out these top spots for LGBTQ+ nightlife in the city:

Club Tekyön: Located on Sıraselviler Caddesi, this is the city's largest and most famous gay dance club, featuring drag shows, go-go dancers, and a lively weekend crowd.

Love Dance Point: Situated in Harbiye, this is another massive dance club renowned for resident DJs and high-energy performers.

SuperFabric Club: Found in the Elmadağ area of Şişli, this venue offers an industrial, darker vibe with techno beats and themed parties.

Cafe Mor Kedi: A popular, relaxed cafe-bar on the outskirts of Taksim that hosts a friendly crowd and turns into a vibrant social spot in the evenings.

Haspa Cafe & Bar: A chill, inclusive spot near Istiklal Avenue, notable for flying the rainbow flag.

Pinokyo Bar: A classic, slightly smaller venue off Istiklal, known for a more local, conversational atmosphere and occasional karaoke.

Keep in mind that the local scene operates mostly indoors and with a lower profile than in Western Europe. Venues occasionally change locations or adjust their operating hours, so checking ahead via social media or platforms like Tripadvisor is highly recommended."