Research  Giant octopuses may have ruled the oceans 100 million years ago

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https://www.eurekalert.org/news-releases/1125450

INTRO: Today’s octopuses are intelligent, remarkably flexible animals that lurk in reefs, hide in crevices, or drift through the deep sea. But new research suggests that their earliest relatives may have played a far more predatory role in ocean ecosystems. A study led by researchers at Hokkaido University has found that the earliest known octopuses were giant predators that hunted at the very top of the food web, alongside large marine vertebrates. The study was published in Science on 23 April 2026.

Octopuses are soft-bodied animals and so they rarely fossilize well. This makes their evolutionary history especially difficult to trace compared with animals that leave behind bones or shells. In this study, the researchers used fossil jaws of early octopuses, a feeding organ with a high fossilization potential, to reconstruct their hidden history.

Using high-resolution grinding tomography and an artificial intelligence model, they found fossil jaws hidden inside rock samples from the Late Cretaceous period, spanning 100 to 72 million years ago. These fossils, found in Japan and Vancouver Island, had been well preserved in calm seafloor sediments, retaining fine wear marks that revealed how these animals fed.

The fossils belonged to a group of extinct finned octopuses, known as Cirrata. By analyzing the size, shape, and wear patterns of the jaws, the team concluded that these animals were active predators that likely crushed hard prey with powerful bites.

“Our findings suggest that the earliest octopuses were gigantic predators that occupied the top of the marine food chain in the Cretaceous,” says Professor Yasuhiro Iba of Hokkaido University. “Based on exceptionally well-preserved fossil jaws, we show that these animals reached total lengths of up to nearly 20 meters, which may have surpassed the size of large marine reptiles of the same age.”

“The most surprising finding perhaps was the extent of wear on the jaws,” says Iba. The fossil jaws showed extensive chipping, scratching, cracking, and polishing, all signs of a strong biting force. “In well-grown specimens, up to 10% of the jaw tip relative to the total jaw length had been worn away, which is larger than that seen in modern cephalopods that feed on hard-shelled prey. This indicates repeated, forceful interactions with their prey, revealing an unexpectedly aggressive feeding strategy.” These findings suggest that these ancient octopuses were powerful and active hunters that consumed abundant prey.

The discovery changes what scientists thought about the early history of octopuses. The new fossils extend the earliest known record of finned octopuses by around 15 million years and the broader octopus record by around 5 million years, placing them as far back as about 100 million years ago... (MORE - no ads)
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My voices got into an argument last night while I was in bed as to whether octopuses can kill you. Ling Ling insisted they could while Bobby said no. I resolved it by suggesting they probably COULD kill you but probably wouldn't ever try to.
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(Apr 26, 2026 08:23 PM)Magical Realist Wrote: My voices got into an argument last night while I was in bed as to whether octopuses can kill you. Ling Ling insisted they could while Bobby said no. I resolved it by suggesting they probably COULD kill you but probably wouldn't ever try to.

You're a complete loonbag.
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(Apr 26, 2026 09:10 PM)Syne Wrote:
(Apr 26, 2026 08:23 PM)Magical Realist Wrote: My voices got into an argument last night while I was in bed as to whether octopuses can kill you. Ling Ling insisted they could while Bobby said no. I resolved it by suggesting they probably COULD kill you but probably wouldn't ever try to.

You're a complete loonbag.

Coming from a sociopathic loser incel that's pretty flattering..
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(Apr 26, 2026 09:13 PM)Magical Realist Wrote:
(Apr 26, 2026 09:10 PM)Syne Wrote:
(Apr 26, 2026 08:23 PM)Magical Realist Wrote: My voices got into an argument last night while I was in bed as to whether octopuses can kill you. Ling Ling insisted they could while Bobby said no. I resolved it by suggesting they probably COULD kill you but probably wouldn't ever try to.

You're a complete loonbag.

Coming from a sociopathic loser incel that's pretty flattering..

Don't even start, asexual who's never been on love. You've admitted to that, which makes any talk of "incel" from you pure projection.
And you've also proven to be a pathological liar, so no wonder you can't find love and need hallucinated friends in your head.
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Quote:You've admitted to that

LOL You actually equate "being in love" to NOT being a loser? You're such a brainless tool of the system. As if unquestioningly always striving to appear "normal" and so being jealous of those who don't need to try wasn't the number one symptom of being a hateful incel loser.
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(Apr 26, 2026 09:35 PM)Magical Realist Wrote:
Quote:You've admitted to that

LOL You actually equate "being in love" to NOT being a loser? You're such a brainless tool of the system. As if unquestioningly always striving to appear "normal" and so being jealous of those who don't need to try wasn't the number one symptom of being a hateful incel loser.

Lots of cope there. I'm sure you have had to justify to yourself how being a loveless lonely loser is somehow better. Yet you still project about incels. 9_9
Yes, not being able to find anyone willing to love you makes you a loser. Deal with reality, nutcase.
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Everybody gets lonely at some time. It's only human. What isn't human is you stigmatizing that or any eccentricity of someone as some insult-worthy character flaw or weakness. It's not. Weakness is in hating and putting down other people just because you are so insecure yourself due to not meeting society's ideal of what is beautiful and successful. Yet another clear symptom of your incelibacy. Embrace your physical "flaws" and be free. They are what give you character.
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A passing octopus might wonder if Muhammad didn't see the Synes and think "I can work with this..".
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(Yesterday 12:32 AM)Magical Realist Wrote: Everybody gets lonely at some time.
Never experiencing love is not just "some time."

Quote:It's only human.
Yes, if it were actually only "some time." But you're asexual and never, ever been in love. That runs counter to two very human drives and desires.

Quote:What isn't human is you stigmatizing that or any eccentricity of someone as some insult-worthy character flaw or weakness.
Hearing voices, much less naming them, is recognized and undisputed mental illness. Not mere "eccentricity."

Persistent, involuntary voices (auditory hallucinations) are most commonly associated with schizophrenia and schizoaffective disorder. They are a hallmark symptom of psychosis, a state involving a detachment from reality. Up to 80% of individuals with schizophrenia experience auditory hallucinations, which can feel very real and distressing.
- Gemini

And if that's all you displayed, I wouldn't mention it. But when you regularly say evil shit, deny reality, project your sad life on others, and are an insufferable Dunning-Kruger exemplar with delusions of grandeur, you get want you've given. Cry about it some more.

Quote:It's not. Weakness is in hating and putting down other people just because you are so insecure yourself due to not meeting society's ideal of what is beautiful and successful.
LOL! If you only knew. Rolleyes
I actually think you do, but you're a pathological liar, and that's why you're so jealous. Here you're just projecting exactly what you do and why.

Quote:Yet another clear symptom of your incelibacy. Embrace your physical "flaws" and be free. They are what give you character.
I'm in the best shape of my life, have been asked if I'm a dancer and model before, and workout five days a week. Discipline is what give me character. Flaws are what give you the insecurities you're always demonstrating.
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