Are Americans "ugly"?

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Magical Realist Offline
I remember when I was in the Navy that me and a bunch of my shipmates took a tour bus thru Rome. The tour guide was fascinating and eloquent, but when I looked around hardly anybody was listening to him and chatting. It pissed me off that this confirmed the whole stereotype of the "ugly Amercan", which is defined thusly:

"If one is of a certain vintage, the phrase “ugly American” has a vivid meaning.

Picture the worst stereotype of an American abroad. Loud, abrasive, arrogant. Incurious about local culture and politics because Americans have nothing to learn from foreigners. Incapable of delivering even a few words in another language and certain they can always make themselves understood by speaking English at a higher volume. Smugly confident that the United States is the most advanced of civilizations, in every way that matters, and all the rest of the world silently dreams of being American, or least meeting one of God’s chosen.

That’s an “ugly American.”"

Are Americans ugly to foreigners? And what could we do to change that appearance?
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geordief Offline
(Yesterday 06:21 PM)Magical Realist Wrote: I remember when I was in the Navy that me and a bunch of my shipmates took a tour bus thru Rome. The tour guide was fascinating and eloquent, but when I looked around hardly anybody was listening to him and chatting. It pissed me off that this confirmed the whole stereotype of the "ugly Amercan", which is defined thusly:

"If one is of a certain vintage, the phrase “ugly American” has a vivid meaning.

Picture the worst stereotype of an American abroad. Loud, abrasive, arrogant. Incurious about local culture and politics because Americans have nothing to learn from foreigners. Incapable of delivering even a few words in another language and certain they can always make themselves understood by speaking English at a higher volume. Smugly confident that the United States is the most advanced of civilizations, in every way that matters, and all the rest of the world silently dreams of being American, or least meeting one of God’s chosen.

That’s an “ugly American.”"

Are Americans ugly to foreigners? And what could we do to change that appearance?

I would guess that may be partly  true but in my  neck of the woods we have a bit less of the coarse brashness that hit me in the face as soon as I got the bus out of JFK some 50yrs ago.

 A particular  vintage alright.A bit of the obnoxiousness of the newly entitled.
Decent American ,of course are gems and to be emulated .

It takes ages to build up a decent societal culture and I suspect it is not easy to find over there.

Minnesota probably showed a path forward.
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Magical Realist Offline
That's reassuring, that there are SOME who are well-behaved and actually pleasant to be with. I'm a gay introverted "vintage" male, so I think my natural public reticence would be welcome over there. Meanwhile, does this video ring a bell? lol

https://www.facebook.com/reel/918678057647308
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(Yesterday 06:21 PM)Magical Realist Wrote: Are Americans ugly to foreigners?

Although Jews in earlier days weren't initially typecast as absurdly successful, high-IQ, and devious, behind-the-scenes managers or manipulators of just about everything going on (other grievances were substituted for those)... Contemporary antisemitism can still serve as a globally common introductory example of the need that local societies have for an arrogant elite to contrast their own noble (and sometimes oppressed) culture or community to.

Any population group widely depicted as "rich, elite, privileged, ruling, etc" for whatever reasons is going to be disparaged via basic envy venting and scapegoat necessity, with close attention given to discerning any specific speech and behavior patterns that can justify the pejorative ascriptions. In addition to those negative traits being regarded as almost uniquely belonging to _X_ and not heavily shared by contingent members of one's own region or group.

Anti-elitist populism depends on the reliability of "overbearing bastards" perceptually emerging or being identified by self-categorized victims. Long prior to MAGA-like ripples, even Marxism was an instantiation of populism -- with the bourgeoisie being the elite opportunists to overthrow and the proletariat being their abused footrest. Well over a century and a half later, the scenario has bizarrely flip-flopped to where the Trump-addicted proles now ironically view the left-wing intellectual establishment itself as their arrogant oppressor. With that scholarly hierarchy in turn vengefully deeming these traitorous hoi polloi to be the very source of all forms of bigotry and injustice (exchanging them for marginalized population groups).

Doubtless the Roman Empire had much deprecating graffiti scribbled about it in various locales that were militarily colonized. But today's Europe -- in being the very origin of post-medieval imperialism long prior to America arising as a superpower -- really does not historically have a leg to stand on when it comes to the urinal calling the toilet a pisspot.
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