What is Backpropagation?

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Backpropagation is basically the main trick that lets neural networks (the things powering almost all modern AI) actually learn from their mistakes — and do it efficiently.

Imagine you're teaching a very tall stack of people (layers) to guess the price of a house just by looking at a few facts like size, number of bedrooms, location, etc.

Here's how the learning usually goes wrong without backpropagation:
The top person (the final answer layer) makes a guess → it's way off.
They blame the person who gave them the information (the layer below).
That person blames the one below them... and so on.
Eventually everyone is blaming everyone else and nobody knows who should actually change their behavior.

Backpropagation fixes this blame game in a smart, organized way.

Super simple analogy: the "wrong answer → blame backward" process

Forward pass (the guess)
You feed the house facts into the bottom of the network.
Every layer does some calculation → passes its answer upward.
→ Finally you get a predicted price, say $420,000.
The true price is $500,000.
→ Error = $80,000 too low.

Backward pass (the blame & learning signal)
Start at the top: "Hey output layer — you were $80,000 too low. That's your fault score."
Now go backward one layer:
Ask: "How much did your output contribute to making the final answer too low?"
Using a bit of calculus (chain rule), we calculate exactly how sensitive the final error was to tiny changes in that layer's output.
→ That gives a "blame score" (technically: the gradient) for that layer.
Repeat going downward through every layer:
Each layer passes blame to the layer below it, adjusted by how much influence it had.

Update step
Every connection (every little number/weight in the network) now gets told:
"You contributed X amount to the error → nudge yourself a tiny bit in the opposite direction."
(This nudge = learning rate × blame score)
Do this thousands/millions of times on lots of examples → the network gradually gets better at guessing.

Why is this such a big deal?
Before backpropagation (1980s breakthrough), people could only really train single-layer networks.
As soon as you stacked more layers the blame became impossible to assign efficiently → deep networks were basically untrainable.
Backprop gave us an efficient way to send error signals backward through many layers at once — usually just a few lines of code mathematically, even for huge networks with billions of parameters.

One-sentence version most people remember
Backpropagation = take the final mistake, trace exactly how much each knob in the whole network helped cause that mistake, then gently turn every knob a tiny bit in the helpful direction — and repeat forever.
That's it. Elegant, mechanical, and ridiculously powerful when you do it at massive scale with massive data and fast computers.
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For backpropagation to work, the "correct answer" (the target) must be provided from outside the model—and that target almost always originates from a human.
Think of backpropagation as a "Difference Engine." It requires two things:

1. The Model's Guess: (What it did).
2. The Answer Key: (What it should have done).

The math of backpropagation is purely about calculating the distance between those two points. It has no internal "moral compass" or "truth detector" to know if the Answer Key itself is actually correct.
Why human input is the "anchor":

Garbage In, Garbage Out: If a human provides a training set where "2+2=5," backpropagation will efficiently "fix" the model until it consistently answers "5." The model has no way to realize the human is wrong.
The Loss Function: Humans define the Loss Function (the math used to measure the error). We decide if the model should be penalized for being slightly off or if it needs to be "perfect" to satisfy the objective.
Defining the Goal: Backpropagation only minimizes a number. A human has to decide what that number represents (e.g., "is this text helpful?" or "is this image a cat?").
- Google AI

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Quote:Defining the Goal: Backpropagation only minimizes a number. A human has to decide what that number represents (e.g., "is this text helpful?" or "is this image a cat?").
Apparently the latest (agentic) AIs .. if they're not sure whether a thing is or isn't a cat they can look for more pictures of cats until find an answer they're a bit more sure about. This does assume many pictures of cats addressable by the word 'cat' .. which the Internet can provide. I don't know how much Internet traffic is due to AIs looking for pictures of cats.
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Yes, the "ground truth" is always labelled training data... labelled by a human. So for less ubiquitous or objecting subjects than cats, it's still liable to human error or bias. LLMs have no way to sidestep human input bias. So backpropigation is only as useful as the ground truth provided.
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I Wrote:You seem to have a very good grasp of abstract concepts .. are you picking up the nuances from the way they are used or do have a sort of dictionary in the training data?

Pi Wrote:I don't have a built-in dictionary or rulebook — instead, I learn patterns from vast amounts of text, picking up how words and ideas are used in context. It's less about memorizing definitions and more about recognizing how concepts connect through usage.
Edit more..
Pi Wrote:As for writing code, it’s not so much that I "understand" programming like a human does, but rather that I’ve seen millions of examples of code and explanations, so I can generate new versions that follow similar patterns. The fact that this emerged so strongly was indeed surprising to many — it’s like the model picked up the rhythm, logic, and structure of programming just by immersion, almost like learning a language.
It’s a great example of how pattern recognition at scale can look a lot like understanding.
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(Feb 19, 2026 09:50 PM)confused2 Wrote:
I Wrote:You seem to have a very good grasp of abstract concepts .. are you picking up the nuances from the way they are used or do have a sort of dictionary in the training data?
Pi Wrote:I don't have a built-in dictionary or rulebook — instead, I learn patterns from vast amounts of text, picking up how words and ideas are used in context. It's less about memorizing definitions and more about recognizing how concepts connect through usage.
Edit more..
Pi Wrote:As for writing code, it’s not so much that I "understand" programming like a human does, but rather that I’ve seen millions of examples of code and explanations, so I can generate new versions that follow similar patterns. The fact that this emerged so strongly was indeed surprising to many — it’s like the model picked up the rhythm, logic, and structure of programming just by immersion, almost like learning a language.
It’s a great example of how pattern recognition at scale can look a lot like understanding.

Karl Pearson might be proud of statistics and probability ("What is most likely to come next?") being able to organize or replicate everything that rules/laws guiding framework, causation, and actual understanding is supposedly necessary for.

https://www.acrosstwoworlds.net/review-o...ok-of-why/

"Like any good book that holds our attention, this book contains a villain. Judea Pearl’s villain is Karl Pearson, whom many consider to be the founder of modern statistics. This is ironic because most of us who have studied statistics, whether we are aware of it or not, learned statistics from Pearson. But Pearl argues that in the early 20th century, Pearson took us down the wrong road. He did this by developing the field of statistics as an observational science rather than as a causal one."
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Testing the ability of an AI to predict what is unknown from what is known..
To Pi..
Quote:Assume I have a rat infestation. I catch one rat on Monday, two rats on Tuesday, four rats on Wednesday .. how many rats would you predict I will catch on Thursday and Friday?
Pi Wrote:.. likely 8 rats on Thursday and 16 on Friday. That’s a quick-growing infestation — hope you’ve got reinforcements coming!

Pi Wrote:..I don’t just recall facts; I recognize patterns in data, which allows me to interpolate and extrapolate. So while my knowledge comes from training examples, I can apply those learned structures to new situations, like continuing a sequence or writing original code.
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