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Aug 30, 2025 01:49 AM
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The majority of this is actually about his practice and patients. Not until the end (or the preview at the start) that this arises.
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Drew Pinsky interview
https://youtu.be/cIfrcQcDiMo
VIDEO EXCERPTS: I mean, even your very public evolution -- as it pertains to trusting some of the institutions... It's pretty powerful stuff, which is why every time we've talked about it, it goes viral.
It's stark. I went from saying -- at the beginning of the pandemic -- that I thought the press was causing the panic. I didn't realize then that it was coming from our government, other sources.
And I was like, don't listen to these people [the press]. Listen to the CDC and Dr. Fauci. I've worked with these individuals for years. They will get us through this. And man, was I wrong.
Holy moley, I didn't know what had happened to those organizations. And I went from that to, wow, these organizations that were advisories to physicians, to help us make good decisions, are now trying to usurp. Trying to tell us how to practice medicine. That is insane.
And as it became more and more clear to me how insurance companies and hospital employers and regulators were taking over medicine, I became a freedom fighter. And then my speech started getting constricted.
That's just unimaginable to me in this country. The first amendment, the very first principle of the Bill of Rights is being infringed upon, and people are questioning whether we should have less free speech.
Holy crap. I can't believe we're there. But that's been my evolution. And there have been lots of other little sidebars to it, but yeah, I am fully there. We've got to fight for these things.
https://youtu.be/cIfrcQcDiMo
https://www.youtube-nocookie.com/embed/cIfrcQcDiMo
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confused2
Aug 31, 2025 02:39 PM
Quote:And as it became more and more clear to me how insurance companies and hospital employers [and regulators] were taking over medicine...
If insurers and hospitals were unable to provide treatment as specified in their contract with customers .. could they be sued (or whatever)? In an epidemic might that not be potentially millions of people demanding millions of dollars? Billions of dollars. Am I wrong or are there just many Americans who can't (or don't want to) see this?
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Aug 31, 2025 08:28 PM
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(Aug 31, 2025 02:39 PM)confused2 Wrote: Quote:And as it became more and more clear to me how insurance companies and hospital employers [and regulators] were taking over medicine...
If insurers and hospitals were unable to provide treatment as specified in their contract with customers .. could they be sued (or whatever)? In an epidemic might that not be potentially millions of people demanding millions of dollars? Billions of dollars. Am I wrong or are there just many Americans who can't (or don't want to) see this?
And yet -- despite the below, too bad that they don't protect medical institutions enough in general from litigation to permit an (optional) lower tier of health care that is far less expensive. You don't need the most advanced equipment and smart beds for many (if not most) issues. Going back to 1950s to 1970s standards would be good enough for that, when they also weren't required to a have a legion of nurses and unnecessary staff. (Prior to heavy bureaucracy, small town local clinics in the 1950s were often literally run by a one doctor, one nurse, and a reception area office worker, and a custodian or janitor to clean. And that's setting aside what now seems the most magical item of all: home doctor visits.)
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Patients got COVID in hospitals, but new laws block families’ lawsuits
https://www.tampabay.com/news/health/202...s-lawsuits
Throughout the pandemic, lawmakers from coast to coast have passed laws, declared emergency orders or activated state-of-emergency statutes that severely limited families’ ability to seek recourse for lapses in covid-related care.
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New data is out on COVID vaccine injury claims. What's to make of it?
https://www.reuters.com/legal/litigation...2022-10-12
Moreover, for those still struggling to recover and believe the vaccine is to blame, legal recourse is limited. The COVID-19 vaccine makers are indemnified by the government, and all injury claims are adjudicated by an obscure tribunal, the Countermeasures Injury Compensation Program. Payouts are limited to unreimbursed medical expenses and up to $50,000 a year in lost wages.
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Syne
Aug 31, 2025 10:23 PM
In the US, there is no such thing as a contract between customers and hospitals. There is with insurers, and they in turn might have agreements with hospitals, but nowhere is it guaranteed that hospitals will have capacity. I imagine this is further exacerbated in countries where universal healthcare limits how many people want to work in that field, due to lower earning potential.
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confused2
Sep 1, 2025 10:18 AM
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Syne Wrote:In the US, there is no such thing as a contract between customers and hospitals.
So.. Epidemic Plan A
Hospitals raise the cost of treatment to match the resources available to the number of people able to afford it. Insurers balance the cost of providing treatment against the cost of claims arising from failure to provide treatment. In a major epidemic (Covid) the resources available at any price rapidly falls below the number requiring those resources and insurers are simply looking at the cost of failing to meet any contract obligations. Customers with insurance are happy because they know they will be fully compensated for any suffering and/or death.
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Syne
Sep 1, 2025 05:32 PM
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Hospitals do not react to demand the way other companies do, through dynamic pricing. Hospitals raise prices slowly over time. Insurers do not get to dictate whether a customer does any preventative treatment, so their actuarial tables already account for this.
With vaccines, in the US, there is really no recourse for suffering or death, because the US government indemnifies (shields) vaccine makers from liability. In the US, life insurance is separate from health insurance. You don't get compensated for suffering unless you win a lawsuit. Again, there is never any contract guarantee (obligation) that there will be resources and capacity.
During COVID, the resources would have been sufficient... if they hadn't fearmongered people who didn't need it. They could have focused on the elderly and those with preexisting risk factors.
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confused2
Sep 2, 2025 03:06 PM
Going back to the OP...
Seems Pinsky dissed Fauci at the start .. saying he was exaggerating..
Then apologised .. saying he was right..
Then came snake oil Ivermectin .. endorsed by Trump .. and "Stop taking horse medicine" .. how dare Fauci interfere in the snake oil trade..
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Syne
Sep 2, 2025 04:17 PM
^Then you obviously can't read.
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Sep 2, 2025 05:41 PM
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(Sep 2, 2025 04:17 PM)Syne Wrote: ^Then you obviously can't read.
OP Wrote:Listen to the CDC and Dr. Fauci. I've worked with these individuals for years. They will get us through this. And man, was I wrong.
Holy moley, I didn't know what had happened to those organizations. And I went from that to, wow, these organizations that were advisories to physicians, to help us make good decisions, are now trying to usurp. Trying to tell us how to practice medicine. That is insane.
Let's try to remember a highlight of "Trying to tell us [physicians] how to practice medicine."..
Quote:You are not a horse:
Quote:In one case, John Witcher, MD, an emergency physician and outspoken opponent of vaccine mandates in Yazoo City, Mississippi, claimed on social media that he was fired from the city’s Baptist Memorial Hospital after taking 3 patients off FDA-approved remdesivir and replacing it with ivermectin.
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC9098306/
Only in America.
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Syne
Sep 2, 2025 08:55 PM
Ivermectin in not only used in horses. You fell for a lie.
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