Trump's MAGA base turns on him

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Trump has ordered Bondi to release more court transcripts, but it will just be more of what the article below refers to being released last year.

Trump promised on the campaign trail to declassify documents related to JFK, MLK, etc. Pam Bondi was an Epstein conspiracy enthusiast herself, stating back in 2024 (on Tucker Carlson) that she believed a client list existed and should have already been released. Back in February of this year, she actually claimed it was sitting right on her desk. Now all that groundless sensationalism has to be walked back.

The article below about the client list is from January 2024. During the Biden term, so it has no connection to the Trump administration having to walk back things promised to various fringe groups during election season. Jacob Shamsian had reported on a lot of these high profile events and figures before.
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(Jan 2024) The Jeffrey Epstein client list does not exist
https://www.businessinsider.com/jeffrey-...now-2024-1

This week, documents related to about 170 of Jeffrey Epstein's associates are being unsealed.

What isn't being unsealed is a "Jeffrey Epstein client list."

That's because there is no client list. It's not real.

Rumors about a list of "clients" for the dead pedophile financier have circulated online for years, rooted in a combination of politically motivated speculation and illiteracy.

Before he killed himself in 2019 (and yes, he killed himself) while awaiting trial on sex trafficking charges, Epstein sexually abused about 150 girls and women, according to a victims' compensation program. He was also connected to people at the height of society and world power, including Bill Clinton, Donald Trump, Prince Andrew, Bill Gates, and Leon Black.

As the conspiracy theory goes, he must have trafficked girls to them for sex and then blackmailed them for money. He flew his powerful "clients" on his "Lolita Express" private plane to his private "Pedophile island" on the US Virgin Islands for orgies with girls, according to these theories.

"Where is the Epstein client list?" people on Twitter, sometimes known as X, demand. "And will we see my least favorite politician on it?"

Fake versions of this apparent list often circulate on the internet, passed around and are easily debunked, like the rumor that your 2nd grade best friend's uncle works at Nintendo.

There is no evidence that this "Epstein client list" is a real thing. And it doesn't even make any sense.

For you to believe that there's a "client list," you must believe that (1) Epstein was a pimp to the stars, (2) Epstein kept a list of all these people somewhere, (3) in the volumes of documents made public from various lawsuits and investigations related to Epstein and Maxwell, no one ever talks about or even refers to it.

This is a stretch.

Here is what is really happening this week: A judge ordered the unsealing of documents that were previously filed under seal in a civil lawsuit between Maxwell and accuser Virginia Giuffre, which they settled in 2017. Many of those documents had already been previously partially unsealed, but some portions were redacted because they included the names of people who a judge deemed had some kind of "privacy interest." But now, after litigation from Giuffre's lawyers and the Miami Herald, a judge has deemed that the public's right to see court documents outweighs almost all of their privacy interests.

The first batch of documents were posted to the public docket on Wednesday night, with more to come Thursday, and possibly more even later.

So, who are these people? Yes, they include Epstein's powerful friends, like Bill Clinton, who notably did not object to having his name unsealed. They also include his victims, like Johanna Sjoberg and Carolyn Andriano.

The documents include new information about how Epstein and Maxwell operated. In one newly unsealed document, a 2015 email from Maxwell to a lawyer and public relations executive, she frets about needing "to consult with US lawyers on any statement I make" denying sexual misconduct allegations against her, while at the same time bragging that she has "no legal risk currently on these old charges and civil suits against Jeffrey."

What they do not include is a "list" of "clients," much less evidence that Epstein was a souteneur who kept careful paperwork... (MORE - details)
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(Jul 18, 2025 05:21 AM)C C Wrote: Trump has ordered Bondi to release more court transcripts, but it will just be more of what the article below refers to being released last year.

Trump promised on the campaign trail to declassify documents related to JFK, MLK, etc. Pam Bondi was an Epstein conspiracy enthusiast herself, stating back in 2024 (on Tucker Carlson) that she believed a client list existed and should have already been released. Back in February of this year, she actually claimed it was sitting right on her desk. Now all that groundless sensationalism has to be walked back.

Bondi didn't actually say a client list was sitting on her desk. She referred to the Epstein files in general, that she was reviewing for public release.
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