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Jul 6, 2025 03:32 PM
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Once again you commit the genetic fallacy. That seems to be your favorite means of invalidating ideas. Would the ideas penned by Thomas Jefferson therefore be invalid because he was a slave owner? Would Nietzsche's ideas be invalid because of his misogyny? In what sense? Even if Heidegger agreed with the German socialist party for awhile, before the atrocities of the Holocaust were ever committed, does that invalidate his philosophy? In his postwar writings and statements, Heidegger downplayed his involvement, claiming it was a "blunder" or an error in judgment. Not everything is political, especially when it comes to the fundamental concepts of philosophy.
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Syne
Jul 6, 2025 04:18 PM
If only you could read... you'd see that I already made substantial arguments against Heidegger... namely his influence on Critical Theory and how his views enable moral relativism. I've also explained why his views appeal to you.
In contrast, you have yet to give a single defense of Heidegger other than whining about genetic fallacies... your go-to cop-out when you obviously lack the intellectual capability to mount any substantial argument of your own. Instead, you just make repeated straw men to ignore the actual arguments you're too illiterate to comprehend.
Go take a nap, punkass moron.
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Jul 7, 2025 03:52 PM
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Quote:If only you could read... you'd see that I already made substantial arguments against Heidegger... namely his influence on Critical Theory and how his views enable moral relativism. I've also explained why his views appeal to you.
A great thinker cannot be held ethically accountable for what movements and ideologies his ideas spawned later on after he died. They did that with Nietzsche, claiming his "will to power" and the Uberman was all about Nazism and the Third Reich's ideal of the supreme race.But Nietzsche's contempt for antisemitism is a clear matter of record: https://www.jta.org/archive/all-anti-sem...once-wrote .
Critical theory sprang up more out of French postmodernism, primarily from the ideas of Jean-François Lyotard, Jacques Derrida, Michel Foucault, Jean Baudrillard, Gilles Deleuze, and Fredric Jameson, all of whom took as their mentors Sartre, M. Merleau-Ponty, Heidegger and Husserl. But Critical Race Theory more specifically is mainly influenced at its roots by Neo-Marxist political theory. Heidegger had nothing to do political theories. He was an existentialist metaphysician not a political philosopher. If you really want to blame somebody for leftist Marxism, blame Sartre.
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Syne
Jul 7, 2025 04:41 PM
You just admitted Heidegger's ideas influenced Critical Theory.
It's your own straw man that anyone claimed Heidegger was political.
I never mentioned Critical Race Theory.
You've still yet to defend his central ideas that contributed to Critical Theory and moral relativism (I notice you've avoided this one, since it doesn't fit your "political" straw man).
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Jul 7, 2025 04:51 PM
Quote:You just admitted Heidegger's ideas influenced Critical Theory.
First line again dumbass: "A great thinker cannot be held ethically accountable for what movements and ideologies his ideas spawned later on after he died."
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Syne
Jul 7, 2025 05:01 PM
Straw man. No one said he was accountable, only that his ideas were flawed and central to other flawed ideas.
See how you dodge substance with straw men?
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Jul 7, 2025 05:05 PM
(Jul 7, 2025 05:01 PM)Syne Wrote: Straw man. No one said he was accountable, only that his ideas were flawed and central to other flawed ideas.
See how you dodge substance with straw men?
Good. Then you're admitting that by studying Heidegger I am not also supporting the ideologies or politics that later borrowed from his ideas. So which flawed ideas of his are you referring to? Be specific now..
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Syne
Jul 7, 2025 05:15 PM
Another sad straw man. 9_9
I already clearly said that you like Heidegger because he echos your existing political/ideological beliefs. You came to support those political/ideological beliefs independently of Heidegger, but that doesn't change the fact that you like him because he contributed those very ideas.
I've already been specific... if only you could fucking read. Let's see if you can manage to find them on your own. 9_9
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Jul 7, 2025 06:22 PM
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Quote:I already clearly said that you like Heidegger because he echos your existing political/ideological beliefs
Not at all. I like Heidegger for the spiritual and metaphysical ramifications of his thinking. It is just one more weapon in my arsenal of finding meaning in a universe that seems devoid of all meaning. I am an existentialist in this regard and eschew all ideologies and belief systems that pretend to represent the actual situation at hand, including politics along with religion and scientism. You would fare better if you studied the nature of ideologies and their hindering constraint on free and illuminative discourse
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Jul 7, 2025 07:30 PM
You obviously couldn't find where I clearly specified my criticisms. Pathetic.
So I'll repeat myself for the illiterate. https://www.scivillage.com/thread-18320-...l#pid73589
Being-in-the-world - this is the concept that leftists, Critical Theorists, etc. use to bolster their identity politics. Heidegger's Dasein is a rejection of Cartesian duality between the objective physical world and the subjective mental experience. But in effect, Dasein gives primacy to the subjective. If the being is a unitary amalgam of the two, the subjective is necessarily given more weight. Moral relativism and victim ideology are direct results of seeing being as inherently linked to situation or experience... as if no one can rise above or escape their circumstances or history.
Authenticity - this further emphasizes the importance of subjective experience, leading leftists, etc. to lend further credence to victim ideology, lack of personal agency, identity politics, etc..
This focus on individual experience and the identity politics of people being fundamentally linked due to their social environment is how you get the kind of radical "othering" necessary for antisemitism.
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