Article  A radical new proposal for how mind emerges from matter

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https://www.noemamag.com/a-radical-new-p...om-matter/

EXCERPT: . . . We seem to be entering a new era of cries du coeur to gather more life, including plants, under the umbrella of intelligence. [...] Their authors are not even at the vanguard anymore. Some boldly go even further, finding behavior they label intelligent in fungi, bacteria, slime molds and paramecia. Even the cells that constitute our bodies are now standing at the velvet ropes, backed by frontier scientists waving evidence of behavior that might qualify as the hallmarks of intelligence if it were observed in an animal.

What on Earth is going on? Should we consider everything to be intelligent now?

There’s some evidence that the question is exactly backward. A small but growing number of philosophers, physicists and developmental biologists say that, instead of continually admitting new creatures into the category of intelligence, the new findings are evidence that there is something catastrophically wrong with the way we understand intelligence itself.

And they believe that if we can bring ourselves to dramatically reconsider what we think we know about it, we will end up with a much better concept of how to restabilize the balance between human and nonhuman life amid an ecological omnicrisis that threatens to permanently alter the trajectory of every living thing on Earth.

[...] In the past few decades, it has become increasingly clear that similar electric signals mediate the actions and senses of all kinds of creatures without nervous systems. “Non-neural cells can be wired up too,” said Alison Hanson, a neuroscientist at the University of Iowa. “They’re found in bacteria, they’re found in plants, they’re found in fungi, they’re found anywhere. You put epithelial cells together, you get an electric network, just on a slower timescale. They’re not unique to human brains. They’re everywhere.”

Take plants. They may not have nervous systems but they do process and transmit information using methods that range, like ours, from hormonal to chemical — and electrical. A leaf has on the order of 30 million cells, each of which is studded with thousands of tiny electrical conduits called ion channels. This turns every plant cell into an electrical conductor. To instantiate their defenses, plants may employ fast electric signals whose rhythms look a lot like human action potentials. For example, tomato plants send them when their fruits are being eaten and release an antimicrobial chemical, possibly to guard against infection. But plants also make use of other types of electric signal — the variation potential, which may tell it about non-biotic attacks like fire, and the slower, more localized “system potential,” whose meaning is contested.

Fungi may also use electric signals to process the valence of stimuli from their environment. Researchers have measured oscillations in the electrical voltage of their constituent hyphae when they colonize their food. The function of these oscillations has not yet been as extensively probed or characterized as a plant’s.

However, as Adamatzky told me, “Fungi respond to different stimuli with consistently different patterns of electrical spiking.” His recordings of electrical activity in four species of fungi suggested that these differences could be encoding representations of their external world. The “language” he had identified was not like our social chatter; it was akin to how analog electrical signals encode our own brains’ experience of the world around us — a kind of neural code.

For example, the electrical signals may be a signal from a scouting tendril that alerts the rest of the body to the discovery of a good source of nutrition. Other studies of wood-decaying fungi, including oyster and honey mushrooms, have also found action potential-like responses to light, fire, salt and alcohol, among other stimuli. And some mushroom caps change their electrical activity after rainfall, possibly propagating their “knowledge” down to underground hyphae.

Slime molds, whose “bodies” are single cells without central command structures, still manage to pass electrical signals. Environmental stimuli cause synchronized rhythmic oscillations that appear to encode a memory of the original stimulus. Researchers theorize this is important to their ability to learn.

Scientists are divided on the implications of all this — some, like Siryaporn, think that the electrical signals in these creatures are just stimulus-response tropisms. Others believe they might be a reflection of the sensory information the creatures are picking up, potentially analogous to some kind of “concept” they are able to form of the world around them.

Which brings us to the most striking idea — that some types of electrical oscillations could mediate an experience of self... (MORE - details)
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Quote:“Cognition is a relational property in between the organism and its environment. It’s not something that is sitting in your head or in your heart. It doesn’t reside within the organism.”
— Paco Calvo

I like that. It immediately short circuits the tired notion of intelligence or cognition as some personal virtue some have more than others. I personally have noticed a marked increase in cognitive ability when I am on the internet than when say I am just watching TV. IOW, when I am relating to and interacting with and expressing ideas and words and images rather than just being a sentient meatbag in my recliner watching preprogrammed entertainment. We can swim in lucid intelligence or we can wallow in the mud of mere sensory stimuli.
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So... some people have a much better relationship with their environment? And really successful people have the best relationship with their environment?

Well, there goes "the rich are destroying the environment" argument.
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Quote:So... some people have a much better relationship with their environment?

Who said that? Everybody becomes more or less cognitive depending on their environment. It's not a matter of being better than someone.

Quote:And really successful people have the best relationship with their environment?

Do they? Can a "best relationship with the environment" be standardized for all people? I doubt it. People are individuals. A kitchen is a cognitive optimizer for a chef. The woods are a cognitive optimizer for a botanist. Intelligence is a relational property, not a character trait.

“I don’t care about someone being intelligent; any situation between people, when they are really human with each other, produces ‘intelligence.”
― Susan Sontag
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So... some people are better in certain environments, but not by an inherently, outside of those environments?
And if people are "really human with each other," then the mentally handicapped become intelligent?
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Quote:So... some people are better in certain environments, but not by an inherently, outside of those environments?

All people are, not just some people. And nobody is better "inherently", as in a vacuum. To be "better" is a relative term, as in "better THAN"--in this case better than they were in some other environment.

Quote:And if people are "really human with each other," then the mentally handicapped become intelligent?

Of course they can. If they are among people who communicate well with them and that they can be human with, then the intelligence of that situation rises. Have you ever been really human with others as opposed to inhuman? Try it sometime..
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(Mar 2, 2025 07:45 AM)Magical Realist Wrote:
Quote:So... some people are better in certain environments, but not by an inherently, outside of those environments?

All people are, not just some people. And nobody is better "inherently", as in a vacuum. To be "better" is a relative term, as in "better THAN"--in this case better than they were in some other environment.
So... "all people" are better in certain environments... but not better than another person in the same environment?

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Quote:And if people are "really human with each other," then the mentally handicapped become intelligent?

Of course they can. If they are among people who communicate well with them and that they can be human with, then the intelligence of that situation rises. Have you ever been really human with others?

The mentally handicapped can become intelligent? Then how are they handicapped? And why aren't other people equally handicapped, when not communicating with others?
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Quote:So... "all people" are better in certain environments... but not better than another person in the same environment?

Intelligence isn't about being better than others because it's not a trait you have. It's a situational dynamic between people and their environment. Of course you already knew that..

Quote:The mentally handicapped can become intelligent? Then how are they handicapped? And why aren't other people equally handicapped, when not communicating with others?

Again cognition isn't inherent in people or in a vacuum. Mentally handicapped have more or less intelligence relative to their environment just like all of us do. Do you think mentally handicapped people aren't ever intelligent in any situation? Have you ever seen autistic savants who can play the piano or violin expertly? You need to get out more.
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(Mar 2, 2025 08:07 AM)Magical Realist Wrote:
Quote:So... "all people" are better in certain environments... but not better than another person in the same environment?

Intelligence isn't about being better than others because it's not a trait you have. It's a situational dynamic between people and their environment. Of course you already knew that..
So no one is smarter in any given environment than anyone else?

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Quote:The mentally handicapped can become intelligent? Then how are they handicapped? And why aren't other people equally handicapped, when not communicating with others?

Again cognition isn't inherent in people or in a vacuum. Mentally handicapped have more or less intelligence relative to their environment just like all of us do. Do you think mentally handicapped people aren't ever intelligent in any situation? Have you ever seen autistic savants who can play the piano or violin expertly? You need to get out more.
Is savant syndrome universal among the mentally handicapped? And again... are other people equally handicapped, when not communicating with others?
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Quote:So no one is smarter in any given environment than anyone else?

Again, intelligence or smartness isn't something one has. It is situational and relative to different people at different times. No one is absolutely smarter than anyone else.

Quote:Is savant syndrome universal among the mentally handicapped?

No..why does that matter?

Quote:And again... are other people equally handicapped, when not communicating with others?

Who knows? Who cares?
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